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Three Latest Pottery Pickups

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 Posted 06/20/2021  03:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Palouche to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes another little beauty Bob!...Nice 'Colouring' (English spelling).....Looks very similar in style to your number 3 example but bigger? Great provenance, the Sackler collection looks pretty amazing.
Congrats on adding this one to your very impressive assemblage......
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 Posted 06/20/2021  07:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bob L to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks, Paul.
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 Posted 06/20/2021  4:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for sharing everything here, Bob (I've been lurking... the few electives I was able to take way back when were usually ANthropology/Archaeology))

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...it may well have held milk or any other liquids in its day.


Maybe even a wine carafe?
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 Posted 06/20/2021  6:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bob L to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Maybe even a wine carafe?


Pick your poison, Ted.

My favorite kind of table setting:



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 Posted 06/20/2021  8:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Novicius to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Thought I'd toss in another update to this thread. Today I received my third ex-Arthur M. Sackler Collection vessel. It's from NW Iran and dates to Iron Age I, meaning late second millennium BC through early first millennium BC. It measures 9 1/2" (24.13 cm) tall. It's pretty austere, definitely an example of form following function. It is unglazed and has a simple shape reflecting its function as a jug. It's got a rim chip with a big gap where a sherd has gone missing.

I never cease to be amazed at the skill of these craftsmen, Bob. The body of the jug is almost a perfect sphere.

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My favorite kind of table setting:

To see the collection all together like this is quite breathtaking. What a lot of history there. If only they could speak!
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 Posted 06/20/2021  8:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Bob, I guess that is where I was going--can you tell what a particular jug was used for based on the shape? I don't know anything about this, but it seems logical that olive oil, wine, and water might benefit from differently sized/shaped containers. Or maybe I should still to coins...
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 Posted 06/20/2021  8:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bob L to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks, Jim.

The table setting is actually staging, in preparation for moving these to display cases. Finally, after a very long delay (due initially to the pandemic, and then to stock issues at the local IKEA), I was able to pick up a couple of display cases today. With several rounds of houseguests coming over the next few weeks, I won't be able to assemble/set up the cases for a bit. But soon. In the meantime, I wanted to gather up the material.
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 Posted 06/20/2021  8:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bob L to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Dave - yes. I understood the gist of your question. Were there different forms for different contents? I simply don't know. I believe the answer is "yes" when pertaining to the Greek poleis and Roman world. But, for early Iron Age Iran - I dunno. I suspect the form was not differentiated based on the liquid to be used, but that's just a guess.
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 Posted 06/20/2021  8:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Pick your poison, Ted.
My favorite kind of table setting:


When I look at an array like that, and your comment, I reflect on how many medieval sovereigns died by assassination by sword or potion.

I'm just gonna assume that's a longstanding tradition ...
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 Posted 06/21/2021  02:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Palouche to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Absolutely stunning collection Bob! ..
This group shot shows how the Bronze and Pottery compliment each other.
Glad to hear the display cases have arrived, a fair few hours of enjoyable work, setting this up, ahead of you.
With your Artistic nature I'm really looking forward to seeing how you'll position the pieces.

All in all Bob a wonderful collection steeped in history!
Thanks for sharing.
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 Posted 06/21/2021  7:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add travelcoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Bob, congratulations on the addition to your growing home museum. I can't wait to see them displayed. I recall you contemplating on what kind of cases to purchase, I'm sure you did well. Yes, setting up the displayed will be half the fun. I once set up a display for my school, coin cleaning and bits of ancient coin history.
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 Posted 06/21/2021  8:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bob L to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Awesome and educational display there, TC.
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 Posted 08/07/2021  8:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bob L to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thought I'd share a recent pickup. It's from Iran and is dated, I believe, to the early first millennium BC. It is my fifth ex-Arthur M. Sackler Collection vessel.

Among the types of ceramic pitchers used in ancient Iran (and sometimes farther west too, I believe, such as in Anatolia and Crete) were open-spouted varieties, each with a more or less horizontal, open (from above) channel projecting outward to one side.

Sometimes these vessels are referred to as having "bird beak spouts." With some of these open-spouted vessels, the visual reference to bird forms is literal and easy to see. With others, including mine, the reference to avian features is essentially lost as the shapes have become more geometricized. However, even with mine, I think you can easily see the derivation from the more obviously-birdlike vessels.

With all of these, the spout rises from the body in a neck-like form before joining a channel (the "head" and "beak") that extends outward horizontally (or, occasionally, with a slight angle or arch). Sometimes, but not always, a bridge connects the head/beak to the rim. That bridge seems to have evolved from a bird's crest that can be seen on some of the more literal versions. Those with a bridge would, presumably, allow "overflow" liquid to pour into the open channel from the body, although no doubt the majority of liquid would still enter the beak from the neck below. (There is a small, round opening on the floor of the beak's channel, not visible in my pictures, through which liquid would enter from the neck)

My example, which doesn't look very birdlike, is in relatively poor shape with a (thankfully stable) body crack and multiple losses, including to the beak. It measures 9 1/4" wide by 9" high. Below the pics of mine are a couple of reference book diagrams of some varieties of bird beak vessels from NW Iran, and a number of much prettier (than mine) Iranian vessels from various websites.





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 Posted 08/07/2021  8:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It kinda reminds me of a neti pot.

In all seriousness though, that is a pretty cool addition to your collection Bob, especially with that provenance!
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 Posted 08/07/2021  8:57 pm  Show Profile   Check echizento's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very cool addition to your wonderful collection.
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