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Kiwi Coin Noodling, A Good Laugh And Analysis

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 Posted 07/05/2022  9:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Princetane to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is hilarious guys, but I would like to steer the conversation back to NZ change coins eventually

TV licences are like TV itself, dated and bloated things that belong in the 2nd millenium AD. Here they were pointless as we were still bombarded with ads and now they make up over half of all programming on our TV, you can't watch more than 2 minutes of a programme without the ads starting.

Our most annoying ones are the ones on Harvey Norman a crooked appliances retailer that sells them expensively and has a huge hire purchase section that makes them mega money. Their ads are loud, obnoxious and cheap looking and they are on every ad break, sometimes 4x an ad break during their mega sales. And where is Harvey Norman from? - Australia.

Now back to coins
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 Posted 09/24/2022  01:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Princetane to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well time for another coin noodle, a trip to my Westpac noodling ATM machine and for once they had a roll of everything!




What came out - Armourguard (Meh!). If Reserve Bank comes out for the 10, 20, 50c expect a mix. But Armourguard merely roll up coins from shop floats and the quality is grumpy (And this lot overall were terrible - lots of stained coins and worn rubbish).

I only took about 10 coins in total for the collection and for my chorus of swappers. Redlock and Trigg can expect some shiny new 20c and 10c coins soon!

I decided that the noodling piles can get messy - so I made a noodling board which makes the counting, sorting and coin photography easier (More mediocre shots coming up!)



The blue is the dates in which $1 and $2 feature only, the red for the later dates with all denominations possible. I have written in pen which denominations appear for that date. I have missed out a few years for dates in which no circulation pieces came out. For the post 2005 era, that is only 2017 and 2021. Empty circles are for later dates.

The bottom row is for varieties, overflow (Like excessive 1990 gold and 2006 silver/bronze), NCLT (Anzac 50c etc) and other (Unreadable, set only coins and foreign).

Next some results of the noodle!
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 Posted 09/24/2022  02:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add triggersmob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Redlock and Trigg can expect some shiny new 20c and 10c coins soon!

Thank you PrinceTane. I look forward to seeing what you found.
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 Posted 09/24/2022  06:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Princetane to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Again the volume of my noodles is low as the machine dispensing rolls is often limited and most customers are shops (Many in the location) who really need the change - so I ease back.

First the $2, we will deal with the coins from highest to lowest.

Just 25 coins and the condition was awful, many dirty coins and many worn - no rare dates and none worth keeping!


Must have moved some of them before I took the photo

Results were interesting for such a small noodle. Not as many 1990s and 1991s (Even now they should make up at least half of all the coins in usage). Quite a few 98s and over half 2014 or later. Again no 2016 at all, these were minted but none have emerged yet! Of course no 2020 or 2022 coins either.

1990 x 3
1991 x 1
1998 x 3
1999 x 1
2000 x 1
2008 x 2
2011 x 1
2014 x 4
2015 x 6
2019 x 3

No coins from 1997, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2005
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09/24/2022 06:43 am
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 Posted 09/24/2022  06:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Princetane to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Moving on down to the dollars, this was a grubby lot - but had some more variety than the $2.



Again these were quite grubby and some of the pre 2005 ones had severe wear and rim marks in which the brass coating is wearing off. As expected no 2020 coins were found, but the 2019s were very nice and one was taken for my collections. It was pleasing to see 2 from 2004, a year with a smal mintage.

Numbers of each $1 coin
1990 x 5 (40 million minted, so I am not surprised - all VG and Fine)
1991 x 1
2000 x 2 (No dollars for circulation minted at all from 1992 to 1999!)
2002 x 2
2003 x 1
2004 x 2
2008 x 3
2010 x 1
2013 x 1
2015 x 2
2019 x 5
No coins - 2005 (Smallest year mintage)
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 Posted 09/24/2022  1:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add redlock to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Redlock and Trigg can expect some shiny new 20c and 10c coins soon!


Thank you Princetane. Looking forward to it!
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 Posted 09/24/2022  9:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Princetane to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ralf, I can offer you a fresh 10c and 20c of 2020, but do you need a better coin of any other date, as its not enough to send a whole letter with.

Now the 50 cents, this was even more disappointing (Then again 20 coins is a miserably small sample)




Again we have a limited number of dates from this coin. 2006 and 2016 had the lions share and not surprisingly no 2020 coins (Still at this date, only the 10c and 20c have 2020 coins in common circulation). I did see some 2018 at least. There was not surprisingly no Anzac or Armistice coins.

2006 x 6
2009 x 3
2015 x 3
2016 x 4
2018 x 2
2019 x 2
No coins, 2014, 2015 Anzac, 2018 Armistice, 2020
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 Posted 09/24/2022  9:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Princetane to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The 20c was also similarily poor. For the first time ever, the condition of the 20c and 50c coins were noticably poorer than in the past. Many coins were losing their shine and getting spots and stains. But I also put this down to low quality sorting and general lack of care by Armourguard. Covid and a frustration with our increasingly socialistic government has led to a lack of pride in workmanship and many lower end jobs go wanting for decent workers.



As with the 20c always, 2006 and 2008 king sized mintage dominate the piles with 16 of the 25 coins from those two years. There were NO coins of either type from 2014. 2015 had a decent mintage and a few examples, 4 from 2019 and 1 from 2020. 2019 with 40 million coins was the 3rd largest mintage after the late noughties dates.

2006 x 7
2008 x 9
2015 x 4
2019 x 4
2020 x 1
None - 2014 wide and narrow dates.

20 cent coins were only minted in 6 different years so far!
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 Posted 09/25/2022  6:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Princetane to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Finally the 10 cent coins. Being 50 in a roll, you can always get a better mix with these things.


Every year they were minted was here, but that is the best thing about them! The condition was very poor, apart from a couple of 2013 and 2014 coins, all of them were stained and darkened. Only some of the 2019 and 2020 were shiny. The fact I found 6 2020 coins and 3 were already stained and worn is not a good sign.

Coins found
2006 x 10
2007 x 2
2009 x 1
2011 x 3
2012 x 4
2013 x 5
2014 x 4
2015 x 2
2016 x 6
2019 x 7
2020 x 6

All dates found

However these coins must have been stored in the water or kept in some dirty persons wallet or clothes.


Look at these 2006s - I think they have a decade left in total

Here is the other end 2020s - these are a few months old at most, yet the wear is worse on 3 of them than some of the 2015s and 2016s



Finally the decent oldies and a couple at least are off to Germany!


That concludes this noodle!
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 Posted 09/25/2022  8:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add triggersmob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Good to see the breakdown on what you are finding.

The coins don't seem to be lasting well in circulation.

Do you think this could be because there is not enough
coins in circulation, so they cop a hammering?
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 Posted 09/26/2022  12:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Princetane to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Probably not, I blame this on several factors.

1. Poor quality and cheap construction. Steel is a cheap and nasty material, it stains easily and has little attractiveness, same with aluminium bronze, just becomes hazy and worn over time.

2. Low value of coins, these coins have little value and thus are more likely to be in the hands of marginalised people, poor and children who generally don't treat them with much respect. People now see coins (Especially cents coins) as a hindrance and pay them little regard. Most end up in couches, behind car seats, change trays, piggy banks etc.

3. Brown colour of 10c coins, often get lost, dropped and fall in the water/dirt.

4. Auckland's climate, very wet and moist warm conditions - not good for steel and brass coins.

5. Small fiddly size - none of the coins other than the 50c or $2 are very big and thus easily lost.

6. Low status/frustration - cost of living crisis and poverty means when peoples notes are reduced to coins, they see themselves as broke and thus disregard coins. Coins are seen as largely worthless and useless.

7. Eftpos - the free and widespread usage of it has made coins redundant. Even coin dependent machines like vending machines, pokie machines, phones and parking meters, now only accept cards or notes, as coins often get jammed and also there is issues with vandalism and hoodrat thieves stealing coins from parking meters etc.

Also who has used a payphone with coins since like 1980?
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09/26/2022 12:43 am
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 Posted 09/26/2022  01:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add triggersmob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
PrinceTane thanks for your insight on why the coins are so nasty.
Telstra made payphones free in Australia. Probably cheaper than having
to repair them when they get vandalised for the coins.

I wonder if stainless steel would be a better option than nickel plated steel.
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 Posted 09/26/2022  01:53 am  Show Profile   Check HoosierDaddy's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add HoosierDaddy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What are the rare dates?
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 Posted 09/26/2022  12:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MachinMachinMan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Princetane, why just the one roll of each denomination?

Are you skint or are NZ banks that stingy they only let you have one of each?.
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