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1985 Canada / New Zealand Dollar Mule?

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 Posted 01/11/2021  10:25 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add NiNGCumpoop to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hi everyone. I was taking pictures of some 1985 nickel dollars to list on eBay and I noticed this when I was cropping the pictures. I almost listed the darn thing for a few bucks....Phew! My question is.....is it fake?

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 Posted 01/11/2021  10:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add john100 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Time to grade it and you are off to races, cool and good luck !
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 Posted 01/11/2021  11:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NiNGCumpoop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks John100. I will definitely consider getting it graded. To which grading service I don't know yet but I'll look into that.
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 Posted 01/11/2021  11:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Canada67 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wow! Very cool...and very rare! Congrats!
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 Posted 01/11/2021  11:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add john100 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Belongs in a PCGS slab but a CCCS slab will do
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 Posted 01/11/2021  11:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Fefimo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Big congratulations! Fantastic find!
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 Posted 01/12/2021  01:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silviosi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I will go with CCCS. Is the most conservative and wright I know.

Nice piece.
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 Posted 01/12/2021  01:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silviosi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
No fake. In that time Canada strike for Australia , New Zeeland and others. I have from same period 1c 10c strike. was happened. Those are nice pieces to collect. Nice piece and thanks to share.
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 Posted 01/12/2021  01:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oldmike to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice ,according to Numista that is a New Zealand 50 cent mule ,only 6 known
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01/12/2021 01:31 am
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 Posted 01/12/2021  01:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silviosi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with Oldmike. Census is hard to divine, what it shore not many you can find.
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 Posted 01/12/2021  05:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Krause reports KM#95 for New Zealand a 1985 50 Cent mule with Canada One Dollar KM#120.

Not happy with what as I see as:-
a double rim on the obverse.

Can't quite figure out why it has a circumferential copper color between the double rims.
The 1985 New Zealand 50 Cents copper-nickel 13.61 grams, 31.75mm dia,
the 1985 Canada One Dollar pure nickel 15.62 grams, 32.13mm dia.

Have a close look at the double rim on the obverse, under a microscope.
Check for weight, diameter XRF test for pure nickel or copper-nickel, and ping tone.

Would be very tempting to make fake mules of these, and sell for a lot of dishonest bucks.
A trained metal machinist in a well equipped workshop would be able to do it easily.
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 Posted 01/12/2021  06:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add loonielewy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As a machinist, I agree with sel_691. These can be made, but you can always tell if it was with a loupe. There will be a seam where the 2 sides were pressed together. In this case the obverse. But that copper tone seen is on both photos. I think its the lighting, not real copper.

A simple ping test should tell you if it has been faked. A true coin will sound normal, a fake made from 2 coins will sound "dull". Easily discernable.

I don't think this one has been faked, but that's just my opinion. Good luck with the grading, and I hope you found the 7th. Wouldn't that be great.
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 Posted 01/12/2021  07:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NiNGCumpoop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I weighed the coin - 15.66g I weighed another 1985 nickel dollar with the same scale and it is 15.52g. Charlton states 15.62g and I understand that the weight will vary slightly with planchet thickness and coin wear. As for ping I cannot tell a difference. The rim has a normal looking ridge similar to the other 1985 I looked at. I can't see any tool marks, compression or tampering on the grooves on the rim. I may just have to send it in to get it authenticated.
I understand that there are different opinions on grading services. I could still use some guidance with that.
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 Posted 01/12/2021  07:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NiNGCumpoop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I forgot to mention diameter. I measure 32 mm. Looks the same as the 1985 when stacked.
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 Posted 01/12/2021  07:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add loonielewy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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As for ping I cannot tell a difference.


Good news there. You would have heard a difference. .

Is the copper we are seeing in the pics just lighting?

Is the alignment perfect? This would be good. Trust me, it is very hard to get perfect alignment when turning 2 coins into 1. ,

What did you use for measuring the diameter? Tape measure, vernier calipers or a micrometer? Your coins values for weight and diameter are probably within the mints acceptable range. Looking good.

Lets hope SPP sees this soon. He knows the nickel dollars well. .

Like I said earlier, and with your added info, I think its real. I can't imagine your heart rate about this. Congrats, but don't have "the big one". .
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01/12/2021 08:12 am
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 Posted 01/12/2021  09:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add john100 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Major errors like this should be in a PCGS slab to get max value, but this error speaks for itself any slab will do if you are going to sell it. I have been waiting for many weeks for delivery of some Heritage Auction items that normally delivered in normal times 10 days after auction, I hope the delays are only due to covid. Check I Collector for last sold one of these coin, ICCS use to grade these coin phone them out,
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