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2021 - The Quest For A 1966 Wavy.

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 Posted 05/17/2021  06:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Princetane to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Tell me about it, 10 cent coins and useless Kiwi coins worth 18.46 cents each (Technically nothing here).

Those 1966 Wavies must be rare coins. It is good he is finding heaps of modern commem 20s in those bags though!
Loving Halfcrowns. British and Commonwealth coins 1750 - 1950 and anything Kiwi.
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Australia
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 Posted 05/17/2021  2:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add David Graham to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
PT and Steve - totally agree. Am getting a few changeover coins in the $1 and $2 range as well. Hopefully will get a few complete sets for trades in the long run. Funnily enough, I also pulled a Kiwi dollar from a bag of $1 coins last night. That flightless bird sure gets around!
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Australia
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 Posted 05/24/2021  03:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add David Graham to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Another 500 coins. Not a lot of excitement but a good number of 1966 specimens to keep the tally ticking over. Most surprising was the absence of my feathered mascot friend.

Total 20c coins noodled = 10040
Total no. of 1966 coins = 150

Number of wavy coins = 0


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 Posted 05/24/2021  04:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add triggersmob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That wavy must be getting close.
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 Posted 05/25/2021  8:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nealeffendi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry Triggersmob, that logic is what the mugs playing the pokie machines think. Doesn't matter how many thousands of pushes of the pokie button or thousands of bags of 20 cent coins you have searched your chance of coming up jackpot or wavy remains the same. If anything your chance of finding a wavy goes down with each bag you search as the numbers still out there continually decline (worn withdrawn coins melted down, coins lost forever down drains and others being found by other noodlers). So if the odds were 50,000 to 1 with the first coin checked the odds now are >50,000 to 1.
At least with noodling the only money you lose is when the bags short change you with those 10 cent coins.
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 Posted 05/25/2021  10:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add David Graham to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@nealeffendi - True but the Pokie analogy is a tad incorrect. Pokies do not pay out in a strict random sense. They guarantee they will return 85c from every $1 put into them but the way they do it is not random at all. A machine that hasn't paid out in a while is more likely to pay out than a machine that has had a recent payout. A friend of mine was a gaming manager at a bowls club. I was having a beer one day and he showed me a machine that he had open. He was able to bring up a graph that showed how much and when the machine had payed out. Apparently it is because gaming managers have access to this information that they are prohibited from playing the pokies in the club that they manage. You are right in that they are for mugs. I couldn't believe it when he pointed out a lady playing the pokies. She was the gaming manager from the RSL club in town. Thought she would know better!
I also can't see myself getting a jackpot of wavy coins!!
Edited by David Graham
05/25/2021 10:37 pm
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 Posted 05/26/2021  01:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nealeffendi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes David, you are correct about the individual machines. But for the players playing machines at random each push of a button is statistically no better than the last push.
I work in pubs and clubs and it is nuts when you see the staff (including managers) playing the mugs game when their shift finishes. The amount people play is phenomenal, in one club I worked they had tiers of punters and the top tier were those putting through $250,000 per quarter. Single pubs can turn over a few million every day and some mugs will play until the venue shuts at 6am, we even have to force people not to put another $50 or $100 in at closing.
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 Posted 05/30/2021  10:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Princetane to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with all of you. I played pokies from 1996 to October 20th 2019 and lost thousands (Maybe low to mid 5 figures) over the years. Sure there were big wins here and there (NZ limits to $500 per spin and $1000 for a jackpot), I would win a jackpot maybe once every 6 months from one major ($200 or $100) session a week on average (Sometimes more often, other times 3 or 4 weeks no gambling), but for every 10 times I went in with money, 7 I came out broke and 1 I came out with a profit, 2 I would come out breaking even, or a few bucks up or down (Usually an early win, then greed saw my win erode away into a slight loss and I realised, quit while I still have some).

Sometimes a game would show an odds of a combination and one game had like a 1 in 5.5 chance of getting 2 nines in a 25 credit game (A 2 credit prize from a 25 credit spin) down to like 1 million to one for 5 top symbols (Which paid a bounty of 1000 to 5000x total credit bet).

They are a mugs game, at least with 20 cent searching, if you can't find the coin you will can spend or bank the non wavies or as you have found pull out the occasional other collector coin. When you gamble on the pokie there are no bank the losers or find collectible reel sets!

Part of my collection has been from money that would have disappeared down the shiny throat of these things, yet I save money as well as buy 1938 Crowns and Melbourne Florins!
Loving Halfcrowns. British and Commonwealth coins 1750 - 1950 and anything Kiwi.
If it's round, shiny and silvery I will love it.
Edited by Princetane
05/30/2021 10:27 pm
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 Posted 05/31/2021  9:15 pm  Show Profile   Check ryurazu's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add ryurazu to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Or you can be a person who never plays pokies, there are people who play it for the free/complimentary drinks max 5 dollars loses... up to you how you want to play it's gambling and that it. They are bases on algorithms, if I didn't remember incorrectly it's log based to generate a number and so isn't truly random number, cause error curve isn't smooth bell curve.
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 Posted 06/01/2021  02:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add David Graham to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
PT - Glad you managed to climb out of the dark pokie hole. Many people are still stuck in the hole and some will never get out.

The same chap who managed the bowls club reckons the worst thing the Qld government did was to allow pubs to have pokie licences. At least with RSLs, bowls clubs and other community organisations most of the gaming profit went towards improving or subsidising the community venues and their activities. The gaming profit of pubs goes straight into the owners pockets. I have to agree with him. I can still remember as a kid the pokie coaches heading across the border into NSW when pokies were illegal in QLD but legal in NSW. It was profitable enough for the clubs to provide free coaches from Brisbane down to the clubs over the border. Smart people like the elderly couple a few doors down would take the bus, have a cheap counter lunch, and come home without putting a cent through a pokie.
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 Posted 06/01/2021  10:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Princetane to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Those old people are wise. Agree about charities.

Here the Pokie trusts have to donate something like 50 cents per gambled dollar to charity and they publish big glossy lists of all the charities, except most I have never heard of and suspect many are fake.

Plus now, many charities and clubs refuse to accept pokie money, calling it blood money. I am not sure about Australia, but here in New Zealand, 90% of all the pokies machines are in deprived areas like Otara, Porirua, Mangere and Aranui (All ghettos with high numbers of Polynesians, Maori and refugees). Same with all the junk food places, if I want Maccas or KFC, I won't find it in my neighbourhood but will in neighbouring Mt Wellington or Panmure (State housing areas with 90% Maori and Islander people).

The machines drain a lot of money out of these deprived communities and the pub holders don't care as they make lots of money for them, although 80% - 90% is supposed to go back to the punters, 18 machines can easily turnover $50k a day and therefore a cut of $5k to the publican and maybe $1k to the charity (The rest is spewed back out in Jackpots and wins).

18 Machines is the limit in a non casino premises and most places will have these. Most have to serve at least beer and some meals, but there are huge differences between proper pubs usually in a nice building, a sports bar is often a shop in a modern arcade type building with a sit down area in front and pool tables, pokies and TAB stuff out back.

Many upper class pubs and "Gastro pubs" refuse to have pokies due to the "types" they attract.

Pokies have been proven to attract violence and fights along with beggars and pandhandling. In nearly every case its a Maori or Island person with the gambling issue, although the old white lady demographic happens (Most go to the casino as they are scared of the ghetto locations). We also have a serious gambling problem with Asian migrants. The darkened rooms also ensure drug deals can take place and many people spend hours in the dark staring at the machine. Water and coffee is supposed to be provided along with anti gambling pamphlets, these are seldom enforced.

We also have pokies in RSA (Returned servicemens association clubs), dodgy sports bars (Pubs with a TAB/Horse betting thing for you unfamilar with antipodean culture Americans) and get this - Bowling places, but not oldies ones - the 10 pin types.

Do you guys still feed coins in your pokies - so you can get the 20 cent coins for searching, as we have gone to all paper ones now, you change your cash for a voucher and when you leave its prints a voucher for you to take.
Loving Halfcrowns. British and Commonwealth coins 1750 - 1950 and anything Kiwi.
If it's round, shiny and silvery I will love it.
Edited by Princetane
06/01/2021 10:25 pm
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Australia
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 Posted 06/07/2021  3:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add David Graham to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Another 500 coins in the search for a wavy. Still getting the Canberra coins popping up. Weird.

Total 20c coins noodled = 10540
Total no. of 1966 coins = 156

Number of wavy coins = 0


PT - Haven't seen pokies since I used to play golf. Assume they still take cash as they are hungry for any money. Pokies in Ten Pin Bowling alleys! That's crazy!

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 Posted 06/20/2021  9:21 pm  Show Profile   Check ryurazu's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add ryurazu to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Total 20c coins noodled 450 + 500 = 950
With 1966 9 in this batch bit more than before total of 12 so far



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Australia
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 Posted 06/20/2021  9:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add David Graham to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
9 66 coins from 500 is pretty good going. Maintaining that batting average should help a wavy come forth!
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 Posted 06/21/2021  01:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add David Graham to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well my batch from last week is rather dismal compared to Ryurazu's haul of 9. A measly 3 this time round. A few keepers. Have a new batch waiting for me so cross fingers!

Total 20c coins noodled = 11040
Total no. of 1966 coins = 159

Number of wavy coins = 0


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