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Spade Money, Etc -- How Tell If Authentic

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 Posted 02/08/2021  8:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TTmom to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
ok. I do need to contact @type.
Some pieces I have no idea about.
will ask if he can take a scan or copy.

more to come...................
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 Posted 02/13/2021  2:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TTmom to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@typecoin.....please contact me.
need your opinion in some of these coins (if they are all coins?!).
as a new member apparently I am not permitted to email you.

thanks, Judy
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 Posted 02/14/2021  1:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TTmom to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
can somebody pls contact @typecoin for me since I am not permitted to email him.

is there anybody else who might know, outside of the coin auction houses?

thanks, Judy
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 Posted 02/14/2021  4:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TypeCoin971793 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hello! BobL reached out to me and let me know someone needed help over here. You probably can't contact me yet since you don't have enough posts yet. I should be able to contact you once you set up direct messaging capabilities. You can do this by clicking Tools -> Manage Profile -> Set "Allow members to contact you" to "yes". See images below.




Being from before 1985 isn't necessarily a helpful metric. There were low-quality forgeries produced for well over 100 years before that, usually sold to tourists and missionaries, hence the name "missionary counterfeits". I see these all the time, and they may even come with very old collector tags.

Scans are fine. If the coins were purchased as long ago as you say they were, then saying real or fake should be very easy.
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 Posted 02/14/2021  4:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TTmom to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@typecoin.....profile now allows emails. I changed that.

may have been purchased by mid 1950s. some of the newspaper used to pad the boxes (necktie type boxes) were from mid 1950s.
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 Posted 03/07/2021  11:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oabmarcus to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
stay a way from spades, I have yet to see a real one in US. Most are fakes, and it is IMPOSSIBLE to tell based on the photo, you need them up close and judge it from every possible angle.
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 Posted 03/07/2021  2:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TypeCoin971793 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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stay a way from spades, I have yet to see a real one in US. Most are fakes, and it is IMPOSSIBLE to tell based on the photo, you need them up close and judge it from every possible angle.


You have no clue what you are talking about. I have seen hundreds of genuine spades on the Western market. I have seen an order of magnitude more fakes, but genuine examples are definitely available.

95% of the time, it is definitely possible to tell real or fake from the photo. That's hardly impossible.
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 Posted 03/08/2021  01:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oabmarcus to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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You have no clue what you are talking about. I have seen hundreds of genuine spades on the Western market. I have seen an order of magnitude more fakes, but genuine examples are definitely available.

95% of the time, it is definitely possible to tell real or fake from the photo. That's hardly impossible.


So, please help me, my expert friend, is the following spade authentic or fake?

Do you even know what it is? or what the characters are saying? My expert friend? Do you know Chinese at all?





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03/08/2021 01:21 am
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 Posted 03/08/2021  01:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TypeCoin971793 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I saw this coin when it came up on eBay. Twice.

It's a fake with a scary-convincing patina. The shape is wrong, and some of the surface is completely pristine, showing metal color inconsistent with the alloys used at the time. The thick lines on the reverse are a giveaway, contrasting with the sharp lines on the obverse. This fake probably came from a workshop whose wares end up on a eBay seller's store named "museumscollection". The style is consistent with those fakes. The patina was probably added later.
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 Posted 03/08/2021  01:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oabmarcus to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am going to give you credit for getting it right that it's fake, but it didn't come from museum collection. It was actually a replica made by some museum in China a few decades ago. I know a collector friend who has the exact same copy with the same nice-looking boxes.

But it doesn't disprove my point the most collectors in America, who don't have your ability and knowledge can tell that it is a fake based on a photo. While it is possible if you are expert enough, it is most likely not realistic for most entry-level folks to do that. Plus, spades ain't cheap either.
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03/08/2021 01:33 am
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 Posted 03/08/2021  01:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TypeCoin971793 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Do you even know what it is? or what the characters are saying? My expert friend? Do you know Chinese at all?


You added this after I started replying. You apparently have no idea who I am.

This is a "Lu Shi Jin Bi" "pointed-eared" spade. These are hyper rare, not to be confused with the more-common "Jin Bi" type. There is no size reference, but it is a large-size spade, being the full "one-Jin" weight, reather than the standard half-jin weight of most other flat-handled spades. Of all of the distinct spade types, it is the third or fourth rarest, with flat-handle "hollow handle" spades, three-hole spades, and square-shoulder arch-foot spades showing up less frequently. I still don't have a full-jin pointed-ear spade, but I hope to get one eventually.

"Lu Shi" is the name of the city that made the spades. They actually made some rare sloping-shoulder hollow-handle spades, but those are actually more common than the pointed-ear variant.
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It was actually a replica made by some museum in China a few decades ago. I know a collector friend who has the exact same copy with the same nice-looking boxes.


Interesting. Good to know.
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