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You Vs PCGS - 1943 Walking Liberty Half - Old Green Holder

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 Posted 02/20/2021  3:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add macmercury to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with Everest,

If CAC put that gold bean on this older slab, you have a winner.

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 Posted 02/20/2021  3:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Rothery to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Does CAC bean old PCGS holders even though they are notorious for their low grades? I read through CAC's web page and it lists coins they accept but says nothing about the holders, also sent them the question on holders but probably will hear nothing untill next week.
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 Posted 02/20/2021  4:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have always been a bit suspicious of the slow and gradual upgrading trend that seems to have happened over the last five years or so.
Has been mentioned a few times by various people here in the CCF.
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 Posted 02/20/2021  7:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jaobler to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Keep in mind this date has a PCGS price of just $140 in MS-66. Their population estimate for examples grading at least 65 is 60,000. If it were to re-grade at 67 (or higher!) then the effort would be worthwhile.
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 Posted 02/21/2021  11:31 am  Show Profile   Check BH1964's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BH1964 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Does CAC bean old PCGS holders even though they are notorious for their low grades? I read through CAC's web page and it lists coins they accept but says nothing about the holders, also sent them the question on holders but probably will hear nothing untill next week.


CAC will review and sticker all PCGS and NGC certified coins. I wouldn't say old PCGS holders are notorious for low grades but rather that grading standards have (generally) loosened over the years.

This coin is a good candidate for a CAC gold bean as it looks like an easy 65 (in the images).
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 Posted 02/21/2021  1:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NumisEd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
But if this coin is undergraded, CAC will not give the slab a bean?
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 Posted 02/21/2021  1:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Adam_E to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Why would CAC not bean the slab if it's undergraded? From what CAC says, the green sticker means "Your coin has been verified as meeting the standard for strict quality within its grade." If a coin is undergraded, it would mean that the coin meets(or exceeds) the standard for the grade it's at.

A gold sticker is a coin that could "easily green sticker at the next highest grade level."

So if this coin is a nice 64 it would get a green sticker. If it's so nice that it would be nice even as a 65, it would get a gold sticker at a 64.
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 Posted 02/21/2021  10:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ty2020b to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
a good candidate for CAC. This will easily green bean and very possibly get the gold, IMO. Unless we're not seeing something in these pics.
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 Posted 02/22/2021  11:08 pm  Show Profile   Check Diy89Nurm7's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Diy89Nurm7 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am thinking MS 64 without seeing in person. Lots of rim nicks and flecks/pitting, maybe a tarnish spot.

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 Posted 02/23/2021  12:44 am  Show Profile   Check paralyse's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add paralyse to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
IMO this coin would not gold bean, it's a strong 64+/65 but not decisively undergraded. Luster is good, fields good, strike is average. It would probably green bean as a 64 and it's definitely upper echelon for a 64.

Whomever said $1.1k for a gold 65 is nuts, or that's one heck of an outlier that was severely undergraded -- I can buy nice 65's all day for $70 to $100 and nice 66's for less than $150. 1943 is one of the most common years in high grades. Even 67's have only been selling for 350-500 last couple of years.
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 Posted 02/24/2021  3:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Rothery to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Heard back from CAC and here's the reply:

" Thank you for your inquiry. You can apply to be a member and once approved, can submit coins directly to CAC. Otherwise, you can submit your coins through an authorized dealer listed on our CAC website. We do look at coins in older holders.

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Michelle Kumpf
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So you either sign up for a membership to be able to submit coins or you find a dealer who is a member. The closest dealers around my area on their website search are both around 80 miles away.
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 Posted 02/24/2021  3:43 pm  Show Profile   Check GrapeCollects's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GrapeCollects to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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 Posted 02/24/2021  3:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Rothery to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Grape - I have a few more PCGS coins in the OGH I want to post to see if they are worth sending too. After that I'll PM you..........
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 Posted 02/24/2021  9:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NumisEd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I thought a CAC bean meant that CAC agreed with the exact grade. Neither too low or too high.
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 Posted 02/24/2021  10:15 pm  Show Profile   Check GrapeCollects's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GrapeCollects to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I have a few more PCGS coins in the OGH I want to post to see if they are worth sending too. After that I'll PM you..........





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I thought a CAC bean meant that CAC agreed with the exact grade. Neither too low or too high.


A green sticker means the coin is strong for the grade, meaning while it is a MS64 it's a top of the line MS64.
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