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March 2021 New RCM Releases

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 Posted 02/25/2021  3:44 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Dcadon to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Made in Manitoba 1 oz Silver & Gold 'P' $99.95 and $4,299.95 (mtg 8,000 & 500)
2021 Circulation 'Special Wrap Rolls' $129.95/5 rolls (5,000 sets)
2021 '100 years' of Canada Coat of Arms 1/10th oz Gold, on larger/thinner (20mm) planchet $499.95 (mtg 3,000)
2021 $3 Floral Emblem Nunavut $49.95 (mtg 4,000)
2021 $200 1 oz. Emerald Gold $4,399.95 (mtg 250)
'History on the Move' Subscription, 3x $50 - 5oz Silver $599.95/ea (mtg 1,250 each coin)
2021 Tyrannosaur $20 - 1 oz. Silver coin $109.95 (mtg 7,500)
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 Posted 02/26/2021  11:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jaymiles7 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm kind of surprised we're going two months in a row without a Bluenose release. I mean I feel like that's one you'd see them milk a little more, especially since it was launched in March....
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 Posted 02/26/2021  11:49 am  Show Profile   Check jimper's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add jimper to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the list.

Can someone explain why there is tax applied if you purchase the EXCLUSIVE Masters Club Coin: Pure Silver Coin - Iconic Maple Leaves and there isn't any tax on the 2021 Tyrannosaur $20 - 1 oz. Silver coin. Thanks

Order Total:
Masters Club Coin

$158.14
Subtotal:
$139.95
Shipping:
$7.99
Promotions applied:
-$7.99
Points redeemed:
-$0.00
Taxes:
$18.19

Order Total:
Discovering Dinosaurs: Reaper of Death Coin

$109.95
Subtotal:
$109.95
Shipping:
$7.99
Promotions applied:
-$7.99
Points redeemed:
-$0.00
Taxes:
$0.00
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 Posted 02/26/2021  11:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mikem to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
jimper wrote:

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Can someone explain why there is tax applied if you purchase the EXCLUSIVE Masters Club Coin: Pure Silver Coin - Iconic Maple Leaves and there isn't any tax on the 2021 Tyrannosaur $20 - 1 oz. Silver coin. Thanks
Order Total:
Masters Club Coin
Subtotal:$139.95
Taxes: $18.19


It's probably because it's gold-plated, and the gold is not 99.99% pure (probably 24k). It doesn't list the gold purity on the coin's description. Once that lesser gold (or silver) purity goes on a coin, it's no longer a 99.99% pure coin, and BINGO - the tax man takes his cut.

The Tyrannosaur coin is 99.99% silver and nothing else - hence it qualifies as non-taxable.
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 Posted 02/27/2021  12:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MoneyPenney to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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It's probably because it's gold-plated, and the gold is not 99.99% pure (probably 24k). It doesn't list the gold purity on the coin's description. Once that lesser gold (or silver) purity goes on a coin, it's no longer a 99.99% pure coin, and BINGO - the tax man takes his cut.


The problem may be the coin is "fully" gold plated rather partially gold plated or acccented like the 1/2 Kilo Triumphant Dragon or the Maple Leaf in Motion coin. Those coins are GST/HST exempted.
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 Posted 02/27/2021  01:52 am  Show Profile   Check jimper's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add jimper to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks all for the clarification.
I guess the rhodium plating is ok then.

The price of $139.95 is bad enough.
But $158.14 for a coin which is just over 3/4 oz. is insane. This is a hard pass.
I wonder if this coin will even sell out at that price.
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02/27/2021 01:53 am
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 Posted 02/27/2021  09:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add commems to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Is it possible that the issue is a system glitch? I don't see the difference between a rhodium-plated silver coin and a gold-plated silver coin. Once the plating is applied, neither coin is pure silver any longer.

It might be worth a quick call to the RCM.


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02/27/2021 09:30 am
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 Posted 02/27/2021  2:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add New1954 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
DEFINITELY Taxes on the MC coin. When my rep sent me the advance release earlier this week, it stated clearly PLUS TAXES. I gather gold plating is now considered an embellishment as it is not PURE GOLD.

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 Posted 02/27/2021  3:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MoneyPenney to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I don't see the difference between a rhodium-plated silver coin and a gold-plated silver coin.


I don't think there is a difference between rhodium and gold plated coins. It is the amount of plating. If the coin is entirely plated like the MC Maple Leaves, then it is taxable. The Dino Rhodium coin is only partially plated. As is the 5 oz Maple Leave in Motion coin. Both of the latter are tax excempt.
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 Posted 02/27/2021  4:07 pm  Show Profile   Check jimper's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add jimper to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks all.

The taxes on certain types of coins will be more expensive making less coins to buy. I will not be buying taxed coins, especially that they're over priced to begin with. IMO
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 Posted 02/27/2021  9:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tender4848 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
No taxes on the 2020 Iconic Maples Leaves $20 Gold plated coin I purchased back in November, and the issue price was only $109.95

Now 3 months later $18.00 in taxes and the issue price jumped to $139.95
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 Posted 02/28/2021  02:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MoneyPenney to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here is the reason for the tax on the Iconic Maple Leaf leaf. Last year the RCM made changes to the tax treatment of coins with embellishments:

https://canadiancoinnews.com/rcm-up...matic-coins/


Quote:
Effective Sept. 28, coins with one or more modifications pushing a product's total purity, including embellishments and embedded items, below 99.9 per cent for silver and 99.5 per cent for gold and platinum are subject to federal and provincial sales taxes.


In other words, the amount of gold plating caused the coin to go below the 99.9% threshold for silver coins, triggering taxes.
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 Posted 02/28/2021  10:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rjlavoie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The tax on the gold plated MC makes no sense. Add the "Pure Silver Gold-Plated Coin - Pandas: A Golden Gift of Friendship (2019)" to your cart and that gold plated silver coin is tax free. How is that? Imagine going to buy something that went up in price and telling them that because the item was stocked when the price was lower, you were only paying the lower price.

You would think if the reasoning was that the coin was no longer .9999, ponder on this. According to the RCM specifications, previous coins of the same 38mm shape and .9999, were shown to weigh 26.51 grams.
https://www.mint_ca/store/product/p...=prod2770456
The RCM shows the gold plated coin weight at 26.51 grams. The same weight. If tax is charged because the coin went from .9999 to .999 or lower, if my math is correct, there should be a weight difference of 0.02 grams and the gold plated coin should be 26.53 grams or more.
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 Posted 03/01/2021  12:51 pm  Show Profile   Check jimper's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add jimper to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think it would be a good idea if the RCM would specify if their coins are tax free or plus tax on each of the coins for sale. Then there wouldn't be any confusion about how much plating or embellishment of a coin. IMO
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 Posted 03/01/2021  1:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mikem to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I think it would be a good idea if the RCM would specify if their coins are tax free or plus tax on each of the coins for sale.


I think the Mint is already getting flack on this.

In the brochure that came out a couple weeks ago (2021 number 3), there is no mention of "NO GST/PST" on the price of this coin. Other silver/gold coins state "NO GST/PST"

In the email (Advance Product Notice: Our newest coins are here!) that came out today, the price now clearly states "$139.95 PLUS TAXES!"
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 Posted 03/01/2021  5:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MoneyPenney to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@jimper;

There appears to be some inconsistency when it comes to taxes for certain coins no longer considered 99.99% pure.

For the Iconic Maple Leaf, the advance notice said taxes extra but the website for the coin does not say anything regarding taxes.

For the Diversity Emerald coin, there is clearly a emerald that should push the coin below 99.99% purity. Yet the advanced notice says GST/HST free. On the other hand, on the website for the Diversity coin, nothing is mention regarding GST/PST.

So what is the RCM policy regarding coins that are not 99.99% pure. They should get their act together to avoid this confusion.
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