What do you think this would grade? What are some telltale signs of "cleaned" ? There are some very fine scratches when looking under magnification, but how do you know if that is just from it being 112 years old? I do have photos of the scratches that I could post if needed. I did include 2 obverse photos - tried playing with the lighting.
It looks cleaned in your second obverse photo. Those fine, parallel scratches are indicative of a coin that's been rubbed or brushed during cleaning. What gets me is that the luster still looks reasonably natural in the first couple pictures.
this is sad. nice coin that would have graded high AU. the coin was either wizzed or cleaned with some type of abrasive. the circular movement of the scratches leads me to believe it was mechanical. this is very prevalent on the second obverse photo. it may not enough to destroy the coin but enough to affect grade and value and the coin would not grade straight
Quote: I was thinking the circular scratches were from a short trip in a coin rolling machine at some point in its life.
The scratches in the right field don't appear to be perfectly parallel to the rim, like roller damage. I'm thinking they could just be normal scratches. The other scratches definitely make it a problem coin, though.
Thanks all - so it's a no on TPG! What color designation would you give this? The first pic of the coin is closest to the true color. Probably will keep in a flip in the collection. The coin does have decent eye appeal to me .