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So, This Is A Weird One. Defective Planchet? (1963 Nickel)

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 Posted 03/04/2021  7:37 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add element47 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
So, I got my hands on a couple old mini rolls that are supposed to be like promo rolls given to seniors on casino bus trips, and that sort of thing from the Golden Nugget I'm guessing in the mid-60s. I decided to open a roll. Every coin was 1963 BU. Among them I found this. Any ideas what happend? Looks like something took a bite out of the top of Monticello. Its got some sharp edges like it was broken out or something. No other "damage" to the coin. On the "O" in "OF" it appears that there may be a part of the top of Monticello that got bonded into it somehow. Thanks for the help!





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 Posted 03/04/2021  7:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
An image of the opposite side would be helpful. It pushed outwards, then it is coin damage.
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 Posted 03/04/2021  9:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add element47 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry.

Yeah, There is no damage on the obverse.
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 Posted 03/04/2021  9:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add element47 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Im wondering if maybe it has something to do with not having been annealed properly, making it brittle when the die struck it?
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 Posted 03/04/2021  9:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add element47 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Or, maybe the planchet was already a problem planchet and the metals weren't mixed properly to begin with? I have no idea. I'm just making things up in my head that sound plausible at this point.
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 Posted 03/05/2021  12:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add element47 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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 Posted 03/05/2021  1:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Blind Squirrel to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@element47, I will take a stab at it for you. I am seeing PMD. Looking at the reverse you see deeper gouge marks staring closer to the center of the coin, moving outward and slightly to the right. Since the depth of the gouges are deeper towards the middle of the coin, and external forces are greater at initial impact, add the fact the missing portion has a cleaner and thinner break away towards the rim, that would be the direction of travel of the tool or object causing the damage. Also, the striations or gouges appear deeper on the right side vs the left, which is probably why you only see one small bounce impact towards the rim and favoring the right side. Had this been a planchet issue, you would still see the rotunda in full detail. IMHO, All that said, it is just a SWAG on my part.
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 Posted 03/05/2021  1:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

How deep is the hit on the dome? Pressed inwards, level with the fields?

Taking another look, it looks like that area is pushed out a bit. So that is PSD. A took a hit in the dome.
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 Posted 03/06/2021  12:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add element47 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well thats unfortunate. Ive not seen a coin with a hit like that yet. Ill probably keep it just for reference though. Thanks for your answers!
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 Posted 03/06/2021  12:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well I could decide on the affected area, until I noticed on the overlay, what area could be affected. An then I spotted where it could fall. Overlays are not just for die clashes anymore.
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 Posted 03/07/2021  1:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add element47 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thats so true. I actually have a whole bunch of your overlays, and other images saved to my desktop that I use for reference. I typically use them to see what clashes might be found where. But for sure they can be used in other situations, such as this. I feel like Ive used them for other things a time or two, but I cant think of them now haha
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 Posted 03/07/2021  1:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add suipakpaikungfu to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like it could be a lamination error. Hopefully Mike Diamond can chime in.
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 Posted 03/07/2021  6:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A lamination does cause the opposite side of the coin to push out. The weight is probably normal as the metal is just moved, not removed from the coin.
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 Posted 03/07/2021  6:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add macmercury to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think it would qualify as a planchet flaw around the dome top if it missing a chunk, but if it's not deep it could just be lamination error.

The O may have taken a hit, but guessing that's what it is.

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 Posted 03/08/2021  8:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add element47 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Its about as deep recessed as the dome would be in relief. Its hard to show in pictures.The weight is 4.708 grams. So its definitely is missing a decent chunk of metal. Jeffersons bust isn't really pushed out. There is just some light toning or discoloration that kind of makes it appear that way in the photo.

So are we going with defective planchet?
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Have you tried soaking in acetone to see if any of the darker material will come off?
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