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1988-D Cent With Several "Issues" - Maybe A "Wide AM "?

 
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 Posted 03/08/2021  6:53 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add KBecker to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I came across this surprisingly well-preserved 1988-D penny. Closer up, I found a bunch of stuff that could be wrong (or right) with it, depending on how one looks at it.

Image 1: starting point



Image 2: The definition of a 1988-D "Wide AM" is really convoluted since the "AM" in this case is actually normal if it's "wide" - and if I understand correctly, the real difference on the coin is the distance of the sculptor's intitials from the momunment's base - which apparently is CLOSER to the base of the memorial. Does this qualify as a "Wide Am"? (Based on the shot I grabbed from the Lincolncentcollection website)?

AND... do these "carbon spots" completely devalue the coin if it were a "Wide AM"(which in '88 is really a "close initials")?



Images 3&4: I've got these odd rim distortions that seem to follow around the "In God We Trust".




Image 5: Ridge under the "TES" and "o", but not a gouge since there's no "hit" across the letters, and the near obliteration of the "E" and "S" in states (grease filled die?)



And lastly, Image 6: Lit from 2 directions to best show how wavy the back of this coin is. Is this ghosting from a die clash, or just overzealous machinery at the mint that was "set to 11" ;)



I've already been told that the coin shows some "plating blisters" which apparently were common for the 1988-D's.

I know there's a lot going on with this one and I appreciate anyone educating me and shedding a little light. Thanks!
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 Posted 03/08/2021  6:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jim0815 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
By looking at the font it appears to be a normal 1988 D cent. Just to make absolutely sure I would like to see a closeup of the FG at the bottom right of the memorial.
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 Posted 03/08/2021  7:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sirguardian to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I see a lot of Die Deterioration going on here.
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 Posted 03/08/2021  7:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Agree, evident Die Deterioration, zinc dust plating just waiting to erupt, ED on reverse - just a spender.



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 Posted 03/08/2021  7:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Scuba1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think you may be getting the 1998 WAM mixed up with a non-existent 1988 WAM. All 1988 Cents are Wide AM's.
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 Posted 03/08/2021  7:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Note the black bars on the right side of the initials. That is what you are looking for. The upper part of the 'G' is what you need to be looking at. Also the REV-005 dies design on the AME are different than the RDV-006:

The EDV-006 has wider devices on that area. On the RDV-005, the AM is rounded, where as the 006 is flat and wider.
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 Posted 03/08/2021  9:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KBecker to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks everybody. A valuable coin would be great, but the education is pretty great too. Here is the best I squeeze on the closeup of the initials.


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 Posted 03/09/2021  12:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yeah, that is the normal one. Take a screenshot and save the information for your personal use. That way you can save yourself a lot of time searching for it later on.
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Some have asked about my images I use and I'm glad to say, you can now you can see the DVD in sections on youtube:
1. Intro, older coins, toned coins 2. Doubled dies 3. Die events, One of a kind errors 4. So called errors, Coin information 5. Coin information Types and Varieties, Overlays
Jefferson nickel doubled dies Wexler/Rebar complete listings

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 Posted 03/09/2021  10:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KBecker to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks so much. I guess there goes my early retirement

But seriously, thanks to all for the help!
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 Posted 03/09/2021  10:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KBecker to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Actually, I do have one more question! The penny is in really nice condition and does have ridge ring and plating blisters issues - if it din't have those "Carbon spots", would this be considered mildly interesting to collectors?
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 Posted 03/09/2021  8:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Greasy Fingers to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Your last set of pictures are showing "indirect design transfer". For your last question, IMO even without carbon spots that cent would be a best just a "hole filler" in someones folder...Most collectors look for EDS (early die state) coins for grading or adding to their collections.
Great photos by the way...and well explained questions...

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 Posted 03/09/2021  9:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is a Zincoln, carbon spots are found on copper coins. If you are seeing split plating issues, the clock has all ready started to count down. But even looking nice, is not a plus for this coin with all the plating over the zinc dust, would take it out of the running. Best to spend it and let it do the work it was created to do. Find a better example, then in 10 years you will be happier with the next coin. Check at a local coin shop. Are real nice coin could probably only cost you a quarter. (Picked up a few that were real nice for that price range.
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Some have asked about my images I use and I'm glad to say, you can now you can see the DVD in sections on youtube:
1. Intro, older coins, toned coins 2. Doubled dies 3. Die events, One of a kind errors 4. So called errors, Coin information 5. Coin information Types and Varieties, Overlays
Jefferson nickel doubled dies Wexler/Rebar complete listings

trail dies:http://www.traildies.com/
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