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 Posted 04/02/2021  12:00 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Saxonearth to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hoping someone can help ID this coin, or at least narrow down country/mint/date...also hoping the images show up correctly! (First post)







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 Posted 04/02/2021  1:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Numisma to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I reoriented the photos to aid in identification:



Do you know the weight?

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04/02/2021 1:27 pm
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 Posted 04/02/2021  1:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Saxonearth to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you!!
I don't have a scale that will work for coins... it is very thin, and brittle, as you can see by the break:((
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 Posted 04/02/2021  10:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kushanshah to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Qasimid (Zaydi) Imams, Muhammad III "al-Hadi", 1687-1718, AR khamsiya, al-Khadra' mint, AH 1106. Album 1138 (RR).

https://www.zeno.ru/showphoto.php?photo=152664

I first thought this coin was vaguely "Ottoman". The date 1106 is clear but it didn't match anything Ottoman with that date. Out of desperation I searched Zeno for the number "1106" and it popped right up. Dumb luck.
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 Posted 04/03/2021  01:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Saxonearth to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Super! Thank you so much for the great ID!
I found it a few years ago metal detecting a field in northern massachusetts. I saw an article yesterday about a number of coins minted in Yemen about that date found in Rhode Island, speculated to be part of pirate treasure. Spurred me to finally get mine identified. I think the pirate theory is highly unlikely; there was a lot of silver from all over the world changing hands at that time...!
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 Posted 04/03/2021  02:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kushanshah to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's quite a rare coin and a remarkable find, in my opinion.
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 Posted 04/26/2021  11:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Just Plain Jim to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I hope that you don't me saying that you may be making assumptions on the improbability of 17th century Arabian silver coins coming to New England through Red Sea piracy. Yes, coins back in the 17th century did circulate far and wide, particularly in regards to Spanish silver cobs and Dutch Lion dollars, but there's no evidence, zero-evidence, of the American Colonies engaging in trade in the distant Red Sea. Upstarts from the American Colonies had no place at the table with offerings of barrel staves, animal hides, fish, and so forth in the ports of the East Indies, where coveted goods like cotton, silks, and spices were exchanged for gold and silver bullion. The only outside traders in the East Indies were the big trade companies - the East India Trade Company of England and their competitors, the Dutch and the Portuguese.

The ongoing recovery of 17th century Arabian silver coins in Southern New England were conveyed here by Red Sea pirates. Newport, RI, New York, Philadelphia, and other ports were bases of operation for piracy carried out against non-Christians three centuries ago in the East Indies. If interested in knowing more, send me a reply or you can just wait for the book on these coins and their connection to the infamous voyage of Henry Every, the King of Pirates. The book comes out next year.


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 Posted 04/27/2021  11:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DocSSavage to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just Plain Jim, I am interested to know more about this.
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 Posted 05/03/2021  3:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Just Plain Jim to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
DocSSavage - Sorry for the delay in responding and thanks for your interest in these coins and how they came to the American Colonies in the late 17th century. I authored a detailed study of the evidence connecting these coins to Red Sea piracy back in 2017 for a research journal published by the American Numismatic Society. If interested, my study can be viewed online. Here's the link.

https://archive.org/details/CNL164&.../n0/mode/2up

It's disappointing that the OP went through the trouble to get an ID on the coin after reading the recent Associated Press story on the ongoing recovery of early Arabian silver pieces in southern New England. The story received extensive coverage by international news outlets owing to the connection to one of the most notorious piracy heist in history. I believe he a bit too dismissive. Perhaps he might check in one this post again, and if not, that's unfortunate. His coin brings the total count to 20 Arabian silver coins from Yemen and provinces of the Ottoman Empire, all recovered in New England. All the coins can be predated by reign of the issuing authority or exact year prior to Henry Every's capture of the Mughal ship Ganj-i-Sawai off the coast of India in 1695. More than half of the coins bear exact dates that correlate exceedingly well with this historical event, ranging from 1691 - 1695!
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 Posted 05/11/2021  7:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DocSSavage to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Amazing find Saxonearth! And thank you for the info Jim. Quite fascinating! An otherwise ugly old coin now has an interesting pedigree.
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