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1840 Large Cent - Should I Have This Professionally Graded?

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 Posted 04/05/2021  11:13 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add CoppersPub to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I believe this is an 1840 Braided Hair small date.
I can't fix the value, they are all over the place. This looks nicer than most of the coins I see out there.


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 Posted 04/05/2021  11:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ty2020b to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Can you post a pic of the reverse as well?

Questionable color and also looks possibly whizzed. Surfaces are definitely not original. Sadly, a Details coin.

Edit: correct in this is a small date
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 Posted 04/05/2021  11:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Adam_E to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree, surfaces appear to be altered unfortunately
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 Posted 04/05/2021  11:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoppersPub to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
New here... Sorry, "whizzed?"

Will dig it back out and post a reverse when I can.
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 Posted 04/06/2021  12:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ty2020b to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Whizzing is done using a variety of metal, fiberglass, plastic etc. attachments on a rotary tool (dremel, drill, etc) to artificially enhance or create luster. Sometimes it's more obvious than others, especially if done poorly, but if done well is harder to notice without magnification. There will be hairlines visible under high magnification.

It usually leaves the surfaces flat a lifeless, as seen on your coin. There is no cartwheel effect to your example, with no rhyme or reason to the way the light reflects off the surfaces.

You can search "whizzed" or "whizzing" in the search bar and find a few good threads with examples.
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 Posted 04/06/2021  04:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
to CCF. When you find the coin please remove it from the holder (carefully) and post photos of the obverse and reverse of the coin.
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 Posted 04/06/2021  07:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add machine20 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree that it has the classic whizzed look
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 Posted 04/06/2021  08:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Closeups of both sides should clarify.



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 Posted 04/06/2021  09:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NumisEd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like a Chinese fake.
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Glad to see that you asked first, well done. I would agree that the surfaces are not original, sad, but even detail graded it would bring a bit more than one which is not should that be part of your question. To go that route I'd go with ANACS since their fees are cheaper without a membership fee. Still, it is a nice example all things considered.
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 Posted 04/07/2021  4:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add machine20 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think it would go for more as is than if it were graded if you were to put it on eBay
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 Posted 04/07/2021  9:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MisterT to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
NumisEd, just curious what you are seeing that gives the impression of a Chinese Fake. Is it the odd colored dentil? No disrespect meant, I am trying to learn to see what others see in spotting fake coins.
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 Posted 04/07/2021  10:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This coin exhibits not the slightest sense of age in any way. There are no subtleties to the toning, no sense of warmth. This cannot be an original specimen.
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 Posted 04/08/2021  02:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add PNWType to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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This coin exhibits not the slightest sense of age in any way


100% agree, like NumisEd I initially thought this was a fake because those surfaces don't look anything like an authentic piece. I still am leaning toward it being fake, the details look off.

I don't know if the details are off because it isn't genuine, or because it wore down a fair bit before getting whizzed. Either way, the details plus the surfaces are extremely suspect
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 Posted 04/08/2021  6:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fortcollins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
First,



Excluding crude cast fakes, the only counterfeit 1840 cents that I have seen are muled variety large date coins, struck from transfer dies. We desperately need to see the reverse pics here.
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