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2020-P Lincoln DDO From New Bankroll.

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 Posted 04/07/2021  11:26 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Sgtclough to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
95% sure I have finally found one that is not MD ? But after several of my other posts I have learned to search V.V. etc for other examples prior to posting. This one I cannot find. Taken from a new bank roll I searched yesterday. Also if it indeed is , worth sending off to get graded? As I'm well aware 2020 was not a great year for high grade Lincoln's. Thanks all in advance.





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 Posted 04/08/2021  12:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
On the example above notice this: A the devices normal in size? Yes. What is affecting them? The outsides of the images on the third Liberty, shows Machine Doubling on the left side of the devices. That area is flat, shelf like. But look again, the devices are normal in size. You can have a normal die with Machine Doubling. You can have a doubled die, with Machine Doubling. But a normal die, will never be a doubled die. Why? Because a doubled die, shows hub doubling. If there is no hub doubling, then it can't be a doubled die. Machine Doubling is an alteration of the devices by the machine after the strike. A doubled die shows doubling from the hub added on the die. These dies are created as doubled dies. Not something that develops later. From the first strike, this die will strike doubled dies, even though it ages) But how can this happen on today's single squeeze dies? They are pressed only once by the hub. How can this happen? Consider the line of thought below.


Do you know what that is on the left of that image is? That is a die blank. Do you see the point in the center? That is the exact point of why we have normal dies or doubled dies. What?
Let's go through the process. The blank is altered by a hub. When the dies creation happens, the hub lowers on to that point, the full pressure is applied, then a normal die is created. That is what happens most of the time. But on a doubled die, the hub lowers, but doesn't land on the exact center of the blank. Off slightly to the left, or right. Pass the center or short of center. It makes a kiss on the blank. But when full pressure is applied, it moves from the kiss area, to the point. This very slight moment. Then the full pressure of the hub, will create a doubled die. That moment, will enlarge devices, or make then distorted. Most of the time on the central devices, other times several devices are affected. That is what happens when a class 9 doubled die is created. So by visualizing how this happens, will help us to find them when searching. Being just slightly away from the point of the blank, will alter the devices, when it moves into the correct position.

CoopHome: How do doubled dies get created out of the single squeeze process?
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Some have asked about my images I use and I'm glad to say, you can now you can see the DVD in sections on youtube:
1. Intro, older coins, toned coins 2. Doubled dies 3. Die events, One of a kind errors 4. So called errors, Coin information 5. Coin information Types and Varieties, Overlays
Jefferson nickel doubled dies Wexler/Rebar complete listings

trail dies:http://www.traildies.com/
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 Posted 04/08/2021  01:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sgtclough to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ok thankyou . Just noticed from bottom of your post you have several videos on youtube. My apologies and I will watch and learn before I waste anymore of the forums time.
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 Posted 04/08/2021  01:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not a waste of time to educate. You may ask a question, that others may have wondered as well, but were afraid to ask. Not a waste of time.
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Some have asked about my images I use and I'm glad to say, you can now you can see the DVD in sections on youtube:
1. Intro, older coins, toned coins 2. Doubled dies 3. Die events, One of a kind errors 4. So called errors, Coin information 5. Coin information Types and Varieties, Overlays
Jefferson nickel doubled dies Wexler/Rebar complete listings

trail dies:http://www.traildies.com/
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 Posted 04/08/2021  04:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You are going to need to filter your light source, I see doubling caused by your light source as well.
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 Posted 04/08/2021  3:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IsThisAnything to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Stgclough, don't be afraid to post. The whole point of a forum is to have things to talk about. Don't underestimate the benefit of having good examples in hand as well. You can watch all kinds of videos and still learn something when you post your own coins.

Coop, that was a great paragraph! As always, thank you!
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 Posted 04/08/2021  3:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IsThisAnything to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I've fallen victim to what John mentioned. Moving your light source around or getting in direct sunlight can help you see if the "doubling" is truly there without too much extra work.
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 Posted 04/08/2021  5:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Last night I was working with my tablet, and was adding the message and before I could finish, the tabled reloaded on me. So I had to re-type it again. But being the patient person I am, I Just started over again. But I feel the second draft was better than the first one. So the best thing happened when it went away. The second draft was the lower message and adding the images, for references, I later added the previous message to the top of the this thread. But the thought about the point of the blank, just hit me at the time. The point being, the first kiss, not being on target, would be corrected with the power stroke, creating the doubled die. (Just so you know what happen at the keyboard last night)
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Some have asked about my images I use and I'm glad to say, you can now you can see the DVD in sections on youtube:
1. Intro, older coins, toned coins 2. Doubled dies 3. Die events, One of a kind errors 4. So called errors, Coin information 5. Coin information Types and Varieties, Overlays
Jefferson nickel doubled dies Wexler/Rebar complete listings

trail dies:http://www.traildies.com/
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 Posted 04/08/2021  5:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silviosi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
When you sorry for the time, you remember my army time. When I training the solders or my sub-officers I told them: You do not know? I teach you. You do not can do? I will help you. you refuse to do? I force you.

The first two thinking apply here, not the last one.

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 Posted 04/08/2021  7:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sgtclough to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@All I feel I need to clarify . My comment was not meant to sound like I was butthurt and lashing out. I have never been or will be a "spoon fed" guy. I prefer to research and dig on my own before asking questions or posting. The knowledge I have gained and am gaining from this forum is VERY much appreciated. Was just stating a fact that I NEED to research a little more. And AGAIN thanks to all.
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 Posted 04/08/2021  7:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I like your attitude
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 Posted 04/08/2021  7:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sgtclough to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Also @John1 this is the camera I use and its either full torch mode or light off even though it has an "adjustment dial" so any recommendations or where to research would also be appreciated . Or for that matter if its junk I just may need to upgrade to one of better quality if any have a recommendation?
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 Posted 04/08/2021  8:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sgtclough to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Also @Silviosi I couldnt agree more. 13 years in the Army myself ,team leader , squad leader. And 26 years L.E Shift Lieutenant for past 18 so I could not agree more with your comment.
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 Posted 04/08/2021  9:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IsThisAnything to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have that USB microscope. You have to make sure it's perfectly aligned with and looking directly down at the coin (any angle gives me a shadow). I've also had success in direct sunlight with the lamp off.
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 Posted 04/08/2021  10:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dearborn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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My apologies and I will watch and learn before I waste anymore of the forums time


Definitely not a waste of time. We all get to see the coins that pass through peoples hands. I personally get to learn from the examples provided by the rest of the folks here.
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 Posted 04/09/2021  05:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have two scopes. Yours has a minimum of 40x and that is too much. It needs to be as low as possible and no higher than 200x. Lighting will be a problem no matter what. Experiment filtering the light.
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