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196x Cent Struck On Split Planchet 1.8g Need Confirmation

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 Posted 04/12/2021  7:37 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Chase007 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Here is the second one I'd like to confirm if it is a struck on split planchet of rolled thin.The weight is 1.8g



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 Posted 04/12/2021  8:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Petespockets55 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
IMHO, it looks like another split planchet before the strike. Congrats.
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 Posted 04/12/2021  8:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silviosi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
196x could happened a full split of the planchet. Joke: "The cent train for the silhouette".

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 Posted 04/12/2021  9:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Rothery to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Strange - one more for discussion - not shoot the messenger....... Obverse weak but on Reverse both outsides of the Memorial stuck strong .........Ideas?
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 Posted 04/12/2021  9:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jim0815 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
100% split planchet.
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 Posted 04/12/2021  9:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Halo1st to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm thinking split planchet before strike. Thanks, Doug.
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 Posted 04/12/2021  11:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Chase007 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks everyone, yes there are similarities between this and the other one,this one with a little stronger strike on reverse and a bit heavier at 1.8g. Seller's pics didn't quite demonstrate the true nature of the errors but I had a hunch what they might be , so I took a chance and sure glad I did, they're pretty neat.
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 Posted 04/12/2021  11:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Numisma to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Strange - one more for discussion - not shoot the messenger....... Obverse weak but on Reverse both outsides of the Memorial stuck strong .........Ideas?

My best guess: The obverse is struck in much higher relief. It doesn't take as much pressure to fill the memorial, which is achieved wherever it's backed by the obverse field.
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 Posted 04/13/2021  12:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm in the post strike lamination peel on the reverse devices, but a pre strike planchet split before the strike. Thus the weakness of the memorial, because it peeled later, on some areas. So I feel it is a before split and after lamination peel.
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 Posted 04/13/2021  01:26 am  Show Profile   Check tropicalbats's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add tropicalbats to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Pair of nice splits you got, well done!
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 Posted 04/13/2021  07:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SilverCents to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Quite a spectacular coin!
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 Posted 04/13/2021  08:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Chase007 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you everyone, your input is much appreciated.
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 Posted 04/13/2021  11:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Numisma to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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So I feel it is a before split and after lamination peel.

I'm with you on the pre-strike split, but could you please explain how a lamination peel factors in? It looks to me like a straight-up split planchet that wasn't struck up where there wasn't enough pressure (i.e. behind the obverse devices where more metal is required to fill the die).
Just trying to understand what happened.
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 Posted 04/13/2021  12:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinHunter27 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very cool find! Looks to me like split before strike. Both examples you found are very nice!

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 Posted 04/13/2021  12:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The split planchet is caused on the cold rolling of the stock material. Imagine you are making noodles and a piece of the dough gets separated, and you later roll it back into the dough. If there was added flour on the piece being re-attached to the dough, it will not stick to the lump. Well on cold roll metal, the same thing happens, it is rolled in to the metal, but because it was not hot, it doesn't attach to the roll that was hot rolled. So this piece will be long because it was rolled on the metal. But when the roll is but with the blanking process, the lamination/adhered in cold metal, will be flat, but will not stay attached to the hot rolled steel. So during the blanking/upset process to turn it into a planchet, the metal breaks away. After the strike some of the lamination falls away and those blank areas on we are seeing had the metal fall off after the strike. Thus the bald areas on the reverse. That is what I feel happened to this coin. Split pre-strike and the missing lamination happen after the strike. I can't think of any other way these areas would be bald looking?
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 Posted 04/13/2021  1:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Numisma to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here's a crude illustration of my interpretation:

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