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Does This 1927 Penny Have Die Flaw?

 
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 Posted 04/16/2021  7:09 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add spydercoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I noticed that the 'O' in 'GOD WE TRUST' is missing the bottom part. Is this post damage or a die flaw? Thank you for looking.


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 Posted 04/16/2021  7:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like PMD to me.
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 Posted 04/16/2021  7:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There is evident Die Deterioration here, but I'm guessing this was just the result of a circulation hit.
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 Posted 04/16/2021  8:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add spydercoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you.
What do you think about this double line on the 'D'?
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 Posted 04/16/2021  8:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Rothery to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If the O is considered a circulation hit then the same should apply to the D
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 Posted 04/16/2021  8:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Agree, just another circulation hit.
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 Posted 04/16/2021  11:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
On 'GOD' We are seeing die wear on the tops of the devices of 'GO'. On the 'O' if looks like a hub chip, (not to be confused with a die chip) when the hub breaks off a device, this will show on more dies as this hub is failing and more than one die could be created by the broken hub. on 'D' that is master die doubling. On most wheat cents:
There are more Items that are like that, but nobody has asked to see these yet. (hint, hint)
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 Posted 04/17/2021  12:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Numisma to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I saw this thread last night, then put two and two together once I saw the latest post about hub chips on the CoopHome thread. I see you made it here first, though!

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There are more Items that are like that, but nobody has asked to see these yet. (hint, hint)

Hint taken. May we see them?
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 Posted 04/17/2021  12:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I already added them on the other thread.
http://www.coincommunity.com/forum/...7589#3403070


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 Posted 04/17/2021  4:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CentSation to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

You will also find this same issue on some 27-D's [1DO-2].


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They were made from the same damaged hub.

Just checked PCGS, red coins only 9 Phillys, 6 Denvers and 4 San Francisco. So about half and half on these.
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 Posted 04/18/2021  4:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add spydercoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
per Coop:"Just checked PCGS, red coins only 9 Phillys, 6 Denvers and 4 San Francisco. So about half and half on these."

Being new to coin terminology, I'm not sure what this means.
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 Posted 04/18/2021  7:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
On the graded examples not all of them had this issue. Only parts of them were affected. With information coming from the chain of command, (die creation Proceedure)

If this were an issue with all the coins that year. The Master hub could have been doubled that year.
If this were an issue with 50% of the coin, the master die could have been affected. (Note on the image above there are only two of these created)
Next step down is the Working hubs, if they were affected they would pass on down the line the same issues. (in this case a broken hub device) There would be several working dies created with this issue. Not that it is a premium, it would explain why these dies were creating cents with the same issue. (weakness of the one device)
I'm not seeing enough of these to declare it was a master hub issue, but I feel it was a working hub issue. Also for the fact that the device was missing, tells me it was a working hub issue. If it were a working master die issue, the same die chip would be passed on down the chain of command.

CoopHome: What does an example of a working hub issue show on coins?
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Jefferson nickel doubled dies Wexler/Rebar complete listings

trail dies:http://www.traildies.com/
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 Posted 04/18/2021  7:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is also seen on other years on the devices with small areas missing on the devices:

If it were a broken die issue, the void on the die would be seen as a raised area, called a die chip. (very common)




CoopHome What does a Die chip look like?
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Some have asked about my images I use and I'm glad to say, you can now you can see the DVD in sections on youtube:
1. Intro, older coins, toned coins 2. Doubled dies 3. Die events, One of a kind errors 4. So called errors, Coin information 5. Coin information Types and Varieties, Overlays
Jefferson nickel doubled dies Wexler/Rebar complete listings

trail dies:http://www.traildies.com/
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Wow, thank you for your time and your instruction. I am overwhelmed and have so much to learn and I appreciate that you take the time to educate me!
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Check out CoopHome. Note it turns blue? That will take you to a quick study on various subjects. It is now up to 7 pages now. Subjects with educational images to help you see what I see on a coin.
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Some have asked about my images I use and I'm glad to say, you can now you can see the DVD in sections on youtube:
1. Intro, older coins, toned coins 2. Doubled dies 3. Die events, One of a kind errors 4. So called errors, Coin information 5. Coin information Types and Varieties, Overlays
Jefferson nickel doubled dies Wexler/Rebar complete listings

trail dies:http://www.traildies.com/
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