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1 Cent 1881 Doubling Letters Legend

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 Posted 05/14/2021  8:38 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Montgomery to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hi,

Got this one from my LCS. Some letters in legend are double or re-punched. I try to find some informations to have better identification of this variety.

Any help is very appreciate.
Thanks
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 Posted 05/15/2021  07:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add okiecoiner to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Do an archive search on here. There are a number of mechanical or machine doublings that affect different letters. There is also some specific repunching involved as well to some letters. If you do an archive search on here, the '81's have been discussed quite a bit. In the 2011 65th edition of Charlton, we made 7 pages covering some of the different anomalies that you'll find, but there are many more. To start with, since the 81'& 82's started out with the mint using 1876 Obverse dies, the N's are sometimes very sloppily repunched. Look for the Micro "D" in Dei, triple punched N's, some nicely offset heavy punch doubling, some doublings "around-the-clock" meaning ALL letters involved. 1881's are almost as fun to collect all the varieties as are the 1859's.
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 Posted 05/15/2021  11:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dan-in-crystal-lake to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's one that falls into the 'round the clock' group. It is actually mismatched punches over most of the letters. This is one of my favorites in the 81's.
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 Posted 05/15/2021  6:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add papeldog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree the 1881's are fun to collect with all the varieties in this year it takes a while to find all or most.

Happy Hunting
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 Posted 05/15/2021  8:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Montgomery to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Dan in crystal lake,

Is it possible to send you a PM, I would have some questions for you?

Thanks
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 Posted 05/16/2021  10:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add okiecoiner to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You can PM me and I can answer any '81 question. I'm not sure if Dan checks in every day.
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 Posted 05/16/2021  8:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add okiecoiner to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here are a few of the neat anomalies that you can/will find with the 1881's: I can't seem to find some of the old photos of the mangled N's or oddly repunched letters.










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 Posted 05/17/2021  10:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add okiecoiner to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
And IF you are very very lucky, you may find one of these:


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 Posted 05/17/2021  11:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add papeldog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's an excellent bunch of fairly hard to find varieties to search for the SSN being the very hardest to find of them all if you find any in Mint State condition you have a treasure.

Happy Hunting
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 Posted 05/17/2021  11:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Phil310 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here are a couple of more 1881's that are worth looking for. Both are pretty scarce.

This one has repunched D and N's.




This one is sometimes called double spur N, but it's a nice RTC (round the clock doubling)

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 Posted 05/18/2021  08:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dan-in-crystal-lake to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
All great examples of why '81 is a fun year to collect.
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 Posted 05/18/2021  12:52 pm  Show Profile   Check 47P7's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 47P7 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Papeldog,
I 100% agree with you.
Now, You, and most here are aware of my 1887 (everything) RTC on both sides. U recently posted an image of it.
which do you think is the more desirable
the 1881 or the 1887?
tough question right?
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 Posted 05/18/2021  1:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add papeldog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It is a hard question to answer, I would have to say the 1881 as I have seen a few of them.

Your 1887 I love it but its the only one that I have seen like it and very desirable you have a treasure maybe one of a kind.
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 Posted 05/18/2021  1:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add okiecoiner to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think that it's the few 1881 RTC's that are the most desirable because they can have hub doubling, with Mechanical Doubling and some individual letters handpunched, most with a large offset. I still think that the ;87 was MD with the coin loose in its holders. The planchet may not have even been fully seated into the striking position when the dies first struck. Maybe that could be the reason why you say double-struck ... it doesn't look like any DS I've ever seen but, you Roger, have seen many
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 Posted 05/18/2021  2:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Hounddog Bill to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
47P7 I'm not really sure you can compare the two, if memory serves me your coin was Machine Doubling where the 1881 is a mixed font variety.
Both are very desirable but it's really apples and oranges too me.
Here's the mixed font from 1881.

Cheers, Bill

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 Posted 05/18/2021  3:21 pm  Show Profile   Check SPP-Ottawa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add SPP-Ottawa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Phil310 - whatever lighting and camera setup you are using, it is fantastic. Those are superb photos!
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