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1919 S Wheat Penny - Cud Errors Or Worn From Wear?

 
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 Posted 05/15/2021  02:00 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add alphapackwhisper to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hi everyone!

I'm a new coin collector and I've got some interesting find from an inherited collection from my dad after he passed. I'm just learning and I've been looking lots into different error coins and some favorites or rareties. I actually have a nice size collection I can build and am adding my own.

I've watched lots of video to get right in to the trade. It's fun and I actually feel like my father would be proud of me ;)

Here's my first piece on where I'm questioning a legit error versus wear and tear and some kind of guck? I admire this one.

Thank you so much. It get's confusing with all the different kind of errors a coin can have. I have more to post on that but one at a time.

Jeannine

I hope I posted in the correct forum. Just learning to nagivate the site.


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 Posted 05/15/2021  04:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
. I see no CUDS,can you point out what looks like a CUD please? It might be a minor MAD=misaligned die? Also, if it was a CUD it would be a variety as is a MAD, not errors.
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 Posted 05/15/2021  04:49 am  Show Profile   Check spruett001's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add spruett001 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply


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 Posted 05/15/2021  07:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JimmyD to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
to the CCF.

If you are referring to the cuts on the rim on the reverse, they are not cud's,
that is damage, looks like someone has intentionally cut them.
A cud would be raised on the rim.

FYI-A photo of a cud
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 Posted 05/15/2021  07:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ijn1944 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Agree with JimmyD. Cuds typically appear as swollen, raised blobs. Perform a google image search using the term 'coin cud'.
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 Posted 05/15/2021  08:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SamCoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@John1 cuds are actually not varieties either since they aren't part of the die when it's created. They're a die event.
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 Posted 05/15/2021  08:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Did a bit of research and according to http://www.error-ref.com/?s=die+cud they call it a die error? I'm not sure I agree with them, but...
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 Posted 05/15/2021  09:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
All I can see is deliberate damage to the reverse rim.
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 Posted 05/15/2021  10:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Incuse marks on the rim are damage to the coin. Not a cud. PSD.
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 Posted 05/15/2021  12:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add alphapackwhisper to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks everyone for the replies! I assumed the marks on the reverse seemed like damages but I guess I still have a lot to learn about all the types of errors versus not.

Thanks again!
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Not too shabby for 100+ years. Looking forward to more of your finds!
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 Posted 05/15/2021  1:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well 99% of the time if the mark you are seeing is incuse (below the normal surface height) then it is coin damage. Only 1% are mint errors, as people alter coins so much. But if is is a die issue, the dies are negatives. What does that mean? Well on a coin that is a positive. So if it is raised on the coin, it is incuse on the die and mirrored with devices in the wrong direction:

While this looks like the bust is raised, it is not. It is deep into the die. The fields are the outside of he die. So if you have an incuse die scratch on the die, it will appear as a raised line on the die. So the rims on the coin is raised. Note on the die, there is a what I call gutter around the outside edge of the die. Well that forms the round outline on the coins were are seeing. So if you coin had an incuse, mark there, well it not on the die that way. So someone altered the coin, the die was normal. But is a part of the die breaks off on the gutter:

I simulated if this happened on a die, then it would have a rim cud on that area, because it is lower than the rest of the gutter.

Then it would be raised, because it is incuse on the die, below the normal rim area. So this will help you see that what happens to a die affects the coins struck with a die. But if the die is normal a normal coin would be created, and if something is incuse on the coin, the coin was altered. Hope this helps?

CoopHome: Why are there raised and incuse marks on a coin. Are they all supposed to be there?
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Some have asked about my images I use and I'm glad to say, you can now you can see the DVD in sections on youtube:
1. Intro, older coins, toned coins 2. Doubled dies 3. Die events, One of a kind errors 4. So called errors, Coin information 5. Coin information Types and Varieties, Overlays
Jefferson nickel doubled dies Wexler/Rebar complete listings

trail dies:http://www.traildies.com/
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 Posted 05/15/2021  6:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add merclover to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Jeannine, to the CCF!

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