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Possible Fake Of Probus Ric 186 Mpr 330

 
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Poland
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 Posted 05/27/2021  11:11 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add just_me_paddy to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hello,
As in title. It's a possible casted fake of Probus' antoniniani.
Look on surface - casted and then painted. Anyway - nice quality.
https://drive.google.com/drive/fold...?usp=sharing
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 Posted 05/27/2021  1:59 pm  Show Profile   Check echizento's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The coin looks fine to me.
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Poland
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 Posted 05/27/2021  2:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just_me_paddy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Tip of spear is blured and touches the letters. Surface is quite suspicious. Moreover I couldn't find any examples in the web which were struck from the same dies.
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 Posted 05/28/2021  05:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add maridvnvm to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is such a common issue that I would be more surprised if you did find examples from the same dies. If there were several from the same dies, which also shared the same wear pattern and shape then we could easily conclude it to be a cast. At the moment I am edging towards a corroded and repatinated original. But I will now keep my eyes open for a match to prove that conclusion incorrect.
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 Posted 05/28/2021  07:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just_me_paddy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I was very surprised and dissapointed after I opened the envelope. Coin on the pictures seemed fine to me. I found 2 pieces with similiar break letters from titulature. Unfortunately, dies are not the same.
https://www.numisbids.com/n.php?lot...lot&sid=4544
https://www.numisbids.com/n.php?lot...=lot&sid=354
Seller says that he bought it from old collection in UK. Let's suppose he don't lie, maybe the coin is a casted replica from XIX century?
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 Posted 05/28/2021  09:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Style (especially in the lettering style), and fabric leave me with suspicious doubts.

The texture of the surfaces remind me of pressure die casting, similar to zinc alloy diecast toy cars. Very constant thickness is not indicative of ancient manufacture.

I agree that it is possible that the coins have had their appearance treated to make them appear as genuine.

As far a s provenance is concerned,
seller has said where they came from, but I would like independent proof of that, not just the seller's say so.
Unfortunately, this sort of independent proof is often not available, even with genuine coins, for many different sorts of reasons.

Although I cannot completely dismiss them as fake, my motivation would be not to buy.
There are lots of other nice Probus coins are out there for your consideration, anyway.

Edited by sel_69l
05/28/2021 09:10 am
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Poland
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 Posted 05/28/2021  4:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just_me_paddy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
"Provenane" of seller don't persuades me. I consider that coin as a fake, and I will return it. Such a pity, because shippings cost almost full price of genuine coin of this type.
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 Posted 05/29/2021  11:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just_me_paddy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's me again!
I spotted another casted fake on ma-shops (VICTORIA AVG):
https://www.ma-shops.com/loebbers/i...id=160729234
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