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2004 1 Cent Question, Help Please

 
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 Posted 05/30/2021  8:53 pm Show Profile   Check 47P7's eBay Listings Bookmark this topic Add 47P7 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
A while ago I found this 2004 1 cent which looks odd.
is this broad struck? or what is it?
thanks guys.
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 Posted 05/31/2021  04:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not a broad struck. A stain maybe?
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 Posted 05/31/2021  09:45 am  Show Profile   Check 47P7's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 47P7 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
NOT a stain!NO basement, NO PMD
it is off side struck and had differnt hights and nicely rounded ahead of the rim.
The strike is much deeper on one side with metal protruding at the side.
this is very difficult to photograph. stain would be not a problem
there is a picture that is very close to this on C+CAN site under errors. theirs is a bit more stronger, but it is just like mine.
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 Posted 05/31/2021  5:08 pm  Show Profile   Check SPP-Ottawa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add SPP-Ottawa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not a broadstruck coin. By definition, a broadstruck coin means there was no collar die (and therefore no rim).

I remain unconvinced that your coin is a legit error.
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 Posted 05/31/2021  7:07 pm  Show Profile   Check 47P7's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 47P7 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
SPP,
I understand your hesitation and I appreciate your input.
I have tried everything to show the rounded sections and whatever.
but that is the best I can do.
I will rest it for now and revisit maybe tomorrow or later with another lens or another camera.
thanks for now
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 Posted 05/31/2021  11:35 pm  Show Profile   Check SPP-Ottawa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add SPP-Ottawa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Approximately 45 tons of pressure was placed on the dies, to strike the CPZ planchets into coins. Also remember that the fields are the highest points on the dies. There is nothing to account for one side showing an arcuate impression on the obverse (look at where the arc meets the beads) and an apparent bulge on the reverse (especially with the reverse being the hammer die). A loose or poorly adjusted collar die can account for roundness of the rim, but with your coin, all I see in your coin (aside from damage that caused the bulge) is a slightly misaligned reverse die (MAD), but still within tolerances of the mint.
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 Posted 06/01/2021  9:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silviosi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What it is the diameter and the weight?
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 Posted 06/02/2021  12:33 pm  Show Profile   Check 47P7's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 47P7 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
diameter is 19.13 mm weight is 2.27 grams
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 Posted 06/02/2021  1:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Hounddog Bill to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Can you try a couple more pictures at different angles.
I don't know about everyone else but my eyes are playing trick on me with this photo.

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 Posted 06/02/2021  3:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add darryldarryl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
All I see is PMD on the Obverse!
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 Posted 06/02/2021  8:58 pm  Show Profile   Check SPP-Ottawa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add SPP-Ottawa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
- a damaged coin is what I see.
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 Posted 06/09/2021  10:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silviosi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am late to answer. Weight is almost. the diameter absolute not.
Weight: 2.25 grams.
Diameter : 19.05 mm, thickness: 1.45 mm

I see at least 4% (with out real numbers) off strike.

In fact those coins was strike at 60 tones with no enlarging deformation.

On the same year the mint strike other outside coins.
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