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 Posted 06/15/2021  9:25 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add AL7 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hi there to all those on the pathway of the hobby of kings. I was recently given these 2 coins by my uncle.They belonged to my grandfather.I got so confused when trying to match them to online examples that I gave up.
Please help me identify them.Appreciate any help.



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 Posted 06/15/2021  11:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dearborn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not sure, but the first coin could be a King Edward II coin 1307-1327 It looks a lot like my coin Which is an Edward II:

EDIT: Look at the collar of the image - they appear to be the same
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 Posted 06/15/2021  11:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add january1may to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply


The Roman coin is an AE4 of Helena (mother of Constantine the Great), PAX PVBLICA reverse, Trier mint.
Tesorillo 58, and it looks like the cross-less version, which would make it Numista 17878. Neat coin!

I can't tell much about the other coin, though it's definitely English and it does look like it's of an Edward.
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 Posted 06/15/2021  11:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add AL7 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you for the warm welcome Dearborn Dora's and january1may
Yes it certainly looks like your Edward Dearborn...not as detailed but its an heirloom to hold on too.My only hammered coin apart from an Al mahdi Dirham (father of Haroun ARasheed)
January1may...you have made my day.Much appreciated
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 Posted 06/15/2021  11:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Your second coin is a "late Roman Bronze". Issued in the name of Helena, the mother of emperor Constantine the Great and later known as Saint Helena, and struck after her death.

Obverse: portrait of Helena, legend FL IVL HELENA AVG
Reverse: the goddess Pax standing, legend PAX PVBLICA
Mintmark: TRP (Treveri, now known as Trier, Germany).

Some varieties of this coin type have a small cross on the reverse. These are quite highly sought after, being one of the first appearances of the Christian cross on Roman coinage.

It should also be pointed out that this coin was copied extensively in the decades after the coin was officially released; these "barbarous" imitations can look almost as good as the real thing. This coin may be too corroded to be able to tell for sure whether it is "official" or "barbarous".
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Ninja'd. That'll teach me to get distracted by work for an hour.
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 Posted 06/17/2021  6:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JohnConduitt to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think the Edward might be Group 10, which would be 1305-1310, but possibly 10cf4, which is 1309 (Edward II). Pennies of Edwards I-III are all incredibly similar. But yours has the king's name as EDWA, which means it's Group 10 or 11 (Edward I or II).

https://www.ukdfd.co.uk/pages/edwar...ies%20P1.htm
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 Posted 06/18/2021  6:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add AL7 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you Sap.I confirmed from my uncle that both were detector finds in Kent near Rochester in the 1970s.
You have given me lot's to get on with. Much appreciated #128591;
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 Posted 06/18/2021  6:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add AL7 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
JohnConduitt I didn't think it was as early as that.As I have mentioned they were both detector finds from a friend of my grandfather.These two were gifts and I was lucky enough to receive them from my uncle.Thanks to you and other members here ...it has made my quest for information simple.The only time I was able to help someone was years ago on the website coinquest...Im sure you all know it.During my days in Saudi Arabia I was lucky enough to get hold of silver Saudi Riyals for very little.They used to sell them in money changers.Years later I found out that they were from a batch of 1 million salvaged silver riyals from a ship that was sunk by a German U Boat of the coast of Oman in 1944.King Abdul Aziz had made a deal with the USA to have 3 million silver riyals minted to pay the oil workers as they didn't really have a currency of their own.They were using MTTs silver dollars rupees you name it.
The guys at coinquest gave me a mention for pointing out that that there were some other years of the silver riyals not mentioned....simply because I had some.
I could tell you another story about salvaged silver pesos n from the phillipnes but I will leave that for another post
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 Posted 06/18/2021  8:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dearborn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm glad we could help you out. Just to give you an idea of how similar the Edward I and II coins can be, have a look at my 2 coins. The one on the Left is a Edward I, the one on the right is Edward II. I do think I took at pictures of the reverse of both coin upside down accidently...




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 Posted 06/18/2021  8:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oriole to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The Edward pennies are a near nightmare to attribute. The cartoon like portraits are of limited value. There is a website which explains it all very well, which I mentioned in a post a few years ago and naturally I have forgotten what it is. It took extensive archaeology to figure out which designs were made in which years and in which mints. So up to relatively recently nobody was sure which Edward belonged to which coin.
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 Posted 06/19/2021  02:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kushanshah to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The Edward is a tough call but I would say class 10cf1 based on the EDWA R legend and details of the crown & lettering per North.
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