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Newfoundland 1898 50 Cents

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 Posted 06/22/2021  5:08 pm Show Profile   Check 47P7's eBay Listings Bookmark this topic Add 47P7 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I have difficulties deciding if this is an Obv1 or obv 2
and Small W or large
please help
Thank you
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 Posted 06/22/2021  5:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silver101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Super hard to tell - is it an 1898? If so, my take is large W which should mean that it's obv. 1 as I don't think there's a large W, obv 1.

Also, Obv 2 looks a little more puckered up and kissy I think?
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 Posted 06/22/2021  9:39 pm  Show Profile   Check 47P7's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 47P7 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
it definitely is 1898.
there is no need to post the rev side.
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 Posted 06/22/2021  10:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DBM to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
OBV1
Since this is the grading section we do need to see both sides in order to give an informed opinion.
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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 Posted 06/23/2021  10:10 am  Show Profile   Check TheDeductible's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add TheDeductible to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't think you can tell this is a 1898 just by looking at the Obverse. There are other years with the same obverse.

Its def a large W variety, and somewhere in the Very Good range, I think.
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 Posted 06/24/2021  12:53 am  Show Profile   Check 47P7's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 47P7 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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what do you base your suggestion of a large W on?
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 Posted 06/24/2021  07:30 am  Show Profile   Check TheDeductible's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add TheDeductible to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
because the small W version has a much smaller W
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 Posted 06/24/2021  08:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silver101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The small/big W is a pretty easy distinction to make - once you've seen it you'll never lose it. Personally, I still struggle with obv 1/2 - there's no gestalt level recognition - you have to look carefully at the eyelid and the mouth areas to make the distinction. And on a worn coin it just gets harder.
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 Posted 06/24/2021  10:21 am  Show Profile   Check 47P7's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 47P7 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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Would you please be so kind and explain as to WHY the rev side is needed to determine something which can ONLY be seen on the OBverse side? I did not ask for grading this coin. No need for that.

Deductible
your answer is rather vague and does not explain much.
Silver101
As I said, it is 1898 and nothing else.
that year had the following markers referring to the W
small W
large W
large W over small W

to determine obv 1 or obv two, the following markers are defining this:
"do the top 4 laurel leaves enter the band at any point or not?

I have consulted with Barry Borsellini's CD and am still not much wiser. (with permission 2015)
here are Barries two and my images.


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 Posted 06/24/2021  1:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silver101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's a large W, obverse 1.
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 Posted 06/24/2021  3:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JimmyD to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I did not ask for grading this coin. No need for that.


Yes there was a need, you have this posted in the Grading Section so we have to assume you are looking for a grade along with your question so both sides are required.
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 Posted 06/24/2021  4:38 pm  Show Profile   Check 47P7's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 47P7 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ok JimmyD, see your point, but
where should I have posted it?
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 Posted 06/24/2021  5:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JimmyD to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Seeing that you were looking for a variety, you could have posted it in the "Canadian Variety and Error Coins" Forum
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 Posted 06/24/2021  5:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silver101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
BTW - curious to know what people think about the Charlton description of obv 1/2 which states "top 4 laurel leaves enter the band at any point or not". I have several of the 1898 incl all three varieties and can't see that distinction. I look at the eye and the mouth of the queen.....
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Charlton's description of the obverses of many Victorian coins is often confusing and inadequate.
Some markers cannot be mentioned by Charlton's for copyright reasons, for others they just rehash the same old hooey.

@Silver101 disregard the laurel leaves and use the upper lip and eye line if that works for you, those markers are valid and easy to distinguish. Also note that OBV1 has a slightly more pronounced double chin. There are other markers as well.
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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 Posted 06/26/2021  6:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mr T to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Some markers cannot be mentioned by Charlton's for copyright reasons, for others they just rehash the same old hooey.


Why? What is copyrightable about an observation?
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