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I'm Trying To Figure Out If This Is A Fs801 1991 Penny And S

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 Posted 06/24/2021  11:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Paul Simmons to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I meant to say is it not hub doubling and is it a plating issue and or Machine Doubling
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 Posted 06/25/2021  12:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Paul Simmons to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm trying to understand what you're saying but it kind of confused me when you said it's not the class 6 doubling which like on the different varieties of the 1972 Lincoln cent are not all the same class either as some are more rare than others there is still hub doubling on those coins. So you're saying it's worthless doubling on the example I submitted or it's not the class 6?
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 Posted 06/25/2021  12:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SamCoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Your question is not making a lot of sense to me, but I will go through as best as I can. The 1991 penny you began the thread with is not a doubled die of any kind. Period. You can stop asking about it. Many experts have told you it is not a doubled die.

My point about Class VI doubling was that your side by side where you said you wanted to understand plating issues vs. Doubled dies isn't very useful in this context because you posted a coin with a different type of plating issue than the split plating issue on the coin you found and the doubled die you compared that plating issue against is a Class VI doubled die, which is caused by a different process than the doubling on 1991 FS-801, so that comparison is also useless.
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 Posted 06/25/2021  12:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Paul Simmons to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As far as I'm aware it's the obverse side of the same coin sir
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 Posted 06/25/2021  02:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Paul Simmons to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
In the interest of national and international relations I wont to press the issue any further except to say my question still stands is this coin as rare as the one submitted now that we have determined it is also a doubled die at a different stage of the die process I'm assuming. And if so should we begin gathering our 1991 d Lincoln coins in search of the rarity of each.
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 Posted 06/25/2021  07:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SamCoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It may be the obverse of the same coin, but that doesn't mean it's showing the same plating issue. Split plating doubling is a localized issue, and there is none visible on the date. The only plating issue visible on the date is a different plating issue called a plating blister.

Your coin is not a doubled die, and I'm done trying to convince you. Please submit it to PCGS and post the results when it's sent back (no one ever does for some reason, I wonder why...)
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1996 DDO-001/FS-101: http://goccf.com/t/372066
1995 DDO-001/FS-101: http://goccf.com/t/376071#3225244
2000-D Maryland Quarter Rotated Die http://goccf.com/t/394553
1988-P "Reverse of '89": http://goccf.com/t/399390
Massive strike through error on 1957-P Jefferson nickel http://goccf.com/t/402781
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06/25/2021 07:11 am
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 Posted 06/25/2021  08:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Petespockets55 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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... now that we have determined it is also not a doubled die ...


This is what I believe was determined about the original coin after reading this thread.
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06/25/2021 08:41 am
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 Posted 06/25/2021  5:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Paul Simmons to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
now I'm really confused
You're saying there is no split plate doubling on the date and if split plate issues are worthless as I just read why are you trying to convince me that this coin is not split plate doubling but a plating blister? The reason I am
trying to get to the bottom of this is because many of the die markers or pups whatever you want to call them line up with this other coin. And I'm not saying it is the same FS 801 I'm trying to establish if there is a series of these coins that do not necessarily reflect the same coin but because of the high price of the one listed on wexler and coins.com are other rare there examples?
If this coin, FS 801 is the result of a mint mishap there should be more late stage and early stage examples that may or may not be as lucrative to search for. And was it the result of a mint mishap as in the 1955 the 1972 and the 1969 Lincoln pennies
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 Posted 06/25/2021  5:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Paul Simmons to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I've seen other coins from this date in this mint that have different issues not necessarily reflected by the one on Wexler
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 Posted 06/25/2021  7:29 pm  Show Profile   Check Tanman2001's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Tanman2001 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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FS 801 is the result of a mint mishap there should be more late stage and early stage examples that may or may not be as lucrative to search for.


That's not how it works. Doubled dies are the result of a die making mishap. All coins created using a doubled die would show the doubling, the exact same doubling. No matter what die state/stage it is in, any coin struck with the 1991-D WDDR-001 die would be 1991-D WDDR-001.

There are multiple 1972 DDOs because it has been confirmed that multiple dies were doubled. Each die was made independently, none of them are related.

Your coin clearly has plating issues. Plating blisters and bubbles on both sides and spilt plating on the reverse.
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 Posted 06/25/2021  9:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Paul Simmons to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Could you possibly tell me why you suppose I can't upload any images did I break a rule or what I try to be forthcoming
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 Posted 06/25/2021  11:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add macmercury to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I suggest put this one to the side and move on, its a long learning process with coin collecting, especially when one get into die varieties.
Members here have tried patiently explaining that this is just a regular cent, start by reading minting process, that would help in clarify what you got here.

The limits with uploading images to this forum is that size of each image cannot be over 300K! Perhaps that's what you're encountering.

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 Posted 06/25/2021  11:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silviosi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@Paul Simmons.

I do not want to intervene till now, but I find out you cross the bar of the aggressively on your way to answer.

1. What you want as to tell you You are wright when you are not?
2. You want to have some OK 's to put this junk on eBay for 1000$ ?
3. If you know so much about collecting and coins why you come here?
4. If you are a recognized specialist why do not tell who you are?

You just play games here. Please stop and come with really coins and really questions.

It is no psychiatrics game here.
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