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1849 Oregon Territory $10 Gold Piece Is This Real

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 Posted 06/23/2021  4:03 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add therealsully87 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I found this 1849 Oregon Territory $10 gold piece in the bottom of a creek bed and Cheyenne mountain in Colorado springs Colorado my question is is this coin genuine has there ever been any counterfeit 1849 gold pieces ever found because when I looked this coin up on PCGS even the worst grade in the world goes for $30,000 anybody ever seen anything like this?..

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 Posted 06/23/2021  4:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bump111 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Can we see the other side? Also, higher resolution photos will likely be needed. Interesting find!
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 Posted 06/23/2021  4:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JimmyD to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Compare your coin to an original Oregon gold piece, it is vastly different.
I would say yours is some sort of a replica or souvenir piece.

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 Posted 06/23/2021  4:15 pm  Show Profile   Check BigSilver's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BigSilver to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Picture is a blur, but I believe that there are fakes of any and every valuable coin out there. And lots of not valuable coins too.
I am rooting for you, hoping its genuine. The first step would be to determine the metal. Is it gold? What purity?
Just one more note. Finding it in a creek does seem to make it more believable, but it is by no means proof of authenticity.
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 Posted 06/23/2021  4:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add leftcoastcoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I recently purchased a bag of assorted tokens and coins at an auction that had a counterfeit Mormon gold piece in it. You're looks like a higher quality specimen than the fake that I received so as to its genuineness I don't know. A good place to start is a jewelry store or pawn shop. They can put it on an rf analyzer or metalytics and tell you the composition in under a minute. I believe the Mormon gold coins were 8 to 10 carat.
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 Posted 06/23/2021  4:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Reverse image, please.



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 Posted 06/23/2021  7:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westernsky to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well-focused pictures of both sides of your coin will be needed to assist you.

I would be shocked if it were a genuine Oregon 10$ gold piece. It would be nice if it were!

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 Posted 06/23/2021  8:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just remember:
ALL US gold coins have been faked, even the common ones, the best fakes in .900 gold.

leftcoastcoins has shined a true light on the possibility of Mormon gold fakes, which have also been made in good quality gold. The book 'Numismatic Forgery', by Charles M Larson, shows how really convincing such a fake can be. This book was endorsed by none other than a past President of the ANA.

Due to the potential value, this coin definitely should be closely examined by a professional expert in this series.

I am nowhere near skilled or experienced enough to consider the character of the damage this coin may have sustained in it's exposure in a creek bed. That is most probably how Heritage or some other professional business will establish the veracity of your provenance.

If it was taken to Heritage, they would question you to consider the veracity of the provenance.
If you wish to sell it, it's authenticity needs to be established, thus Heritage would be a good place to start, to do that.

I would trust Heritage in preference to a TPG, whose main job is to grade coins, not verify them.
In order for a TPG to protect their own professional butt, if they were unsure about the coin, it would simply not get graded, and so you would have to resort to Heritage anyway, along with some already implied expressed doubt about it.
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 Posted 06/23/2021  9:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jimbucks to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Almost certainly some sort of worthless fake.
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 Posted 06/23/2021  9:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hard to argue.
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 Posted 06/23/2021  10:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ploopy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Based on the weak denticles and strike, counterfeit.
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 Posted 06/23/2021  10:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kbbpll to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Other than having a beaver on a log and most of the same letters and numbers (the OP coin has an I instead of a T), pretty much everything is wrong compared to a real one. I'm not sure what to think of the story - I suspect there are some people who get their jollies from putting counterfeits where someone else will find them, for whatever reason. Or maybe some kid just tossed their souvenir. I think I've read about metal detecting finds turning out to be fake as well.
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 Posted 06/23/2021  11:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add macmercury to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
No idea? Test whether it's gold or not, bring it to a coin shop that has one of them XRF machine.

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 Posted 06/24/2021  3:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
i have to go with the majority here. the coin does not look genuine. too many issues. lettering not correct. date not correct. surface and color is not right, tree limb not correct. beaver body shape wrong etc...
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 Posted 06/24/2021  3:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Have to agree.
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