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Walking Back In Time From 1600 To Antiquity By Decades (V3.0)

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 Posted 10/25/2021  8:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thx for the help with deciphering the inscriptions @era!

@j1m, you having any luck finding your coin from 1452? I'm happy to keep us in this decade so that you can post. Thx!
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@j1m, you having any luck finding your coin from 1452?
Finding yes, the hard part is making a good photo! I'll try one more time today, then if I don't manage it you can continue.
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OK, photos look successful, so might as well post them...





Shirvanshahs, Derbendi dynasty, Khalilullah I, AR tanka
reportedly 856 AH = 1452 AD

I can't read the date - probably because I don't know what to look for.
Cf. Zeno 19772, reportedly 853 AH, though I can't read the date there either.
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I took a look and am also confused about where to find the date on these ... but coins and confusion seem to be the norm for me when we get back to the 15th century.
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 Posted 10/26/2021  8:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ok great one @j1m, although I don't think I can help with any of the inscription on this either. Let's drop back to the decade of the 1440s starting tomorrow am!
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 Posted 10/27/2021  08:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JohnConduitt to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I can't read the date - probably because I don't know what to look for.

That is tricky. I presume it's Persian, so the numbers should be Arabic. But I can't see any numbers at all!

I know from Golden Horde coins the dates can be cryptic - right to left, in a random order or the numbers not even next to each other. But at least you can usually find them.
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 Posted 10/27/2021  09:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JohnConduitt to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm going to have to go back to Russia for the 1440s. This one's easy to date because his reign was very short:

Dmitry Shemyaka Denga, 1446-7

Moscow. Silver, 0.5g. Head, line in front, large dot behind; barbarous circular legend around. Prince with a crown looking forward, K-H in fields; circular legend (Grand Prince Dmitriy) (HPF 605).
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 Posted 10/27/2021  1:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add EddieDiz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have a ton of 1440's. I'll start with the dateable ones.

1444 A-B Hungarian Denar under King Wladislaus I;Huszar 609a,Unger 475b,Pohl 148-7.




1443 W-O Hungarian Denar under King Wladislaus I with the Lithuanian rider;Huszar 607,Unger 472z,Pohl 145-25.








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 Posted 10/27/2021  2:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add EddieDiz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
More dateable ones.

1446 h-P Hungarian Denar under King John Hunyadi;Huszar 618,Unger 485d,Rethy II-156.






1446 B-n/star Hungarian Denar under Gov. John Hunyadi;Huszar 618,Unger 485a






1446 h-c/x Hungarian Denar under Gov. John Hunyadi;Huszar 618,Pohl 175-5,Unger 485e,Rethy II-156.






1446 n-C Hungarian Denar under King John Hunyadi;Huszar 618,Unger 485g,Rethy II-156.






1446 n-star Hungarian Denar under Gov. John Hunyadi;Huszar 618,Unger 485i






1444 B-star/n Hungarian Denar under King Wladislaus I;Huszar 609,Unger 475g,Rethy II-143A.






1443 B-mace Hungarian Denar under King Wladislaus I;Huszar 607,Unger 472j,Pohl 145-10,Rethy II 145A.



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 Posted 10/27/2021  2:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add january1may to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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This one's easy to date because his reign was very short
Neat coin!

Wikipedia says that his reign actually lasted from 12 February 1446 to 17 February 1447, which is technically more than a year, but I can probably see HFBCWG accepting it if it came to that.
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 Posted 10/27/2021  6:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like we are off to a great start!

Here is a familiar-looking Groschen from Trier. it is dated 1444 AD and attributed as Levinson I-74.


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Wikipedia says that his reign actually lasted from 12 February 1446 to 17 February 1447, which is technically more than a year.

You are right. It should be 1446-7. Although maybe it took him more than 5 days to get a die cut
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Great display of Hungary denars from this decade! Wladislaus was concurrently King of Poland 1434-1444, but none of his Polish coins can be narrowly dated. I need to look for the Huszar 609 for its interesting combination of Polish and Hungarian heraldry.
That Trier groschen is pretty sweet, too!

My first coin this decade is a well worn undated quattrino of the Duchy of Ferrara (at this time it was a Margravate), reign of Leonello d'Este 1441-1450. Biaggi 757.


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The rest of the dateable ones.

1443 S-I Hungarian Denar under King Wladislaus I;Huszar 607,Unger 472m,Pohl 145,Rethy II-145A. It has the Lithuanian rider in shield.






1442 B-P Hungarian Denar under King Wladislaus I;Huszar 605,Unger 470f,Pohl 141-6,Rethy II-141.






1442 n-star Hungarian Denar under King Wladislaus I;Huszar 605,Unger 470k,Pohl 141-10,Rethy Ii-141.





1442 P-R Hungarian Denar under King Wladislaus I;Huszar 605,Unger 470l,Rethy II-141.






1441 I-h Hungarian Denar under King Wladislaus I;Huszar 598,Unger 469j.Pohl 135-10,Rethy II-149A.






1441 L-P Hungarian Denar under King Ladislaus V;Huszar 643,Unger 494l,variant,Rethy II-201A,Pohl 150-10. It is a variant with point after the "P" in the mint mark.






1440 C-G Hungarian Denar under King Ladislaus V;Huszar 643,Unger 494a,Pohl 150-10,Rethy II-201A.






1440 C-Lily Hungarian Denar under King Albert (posthumous);Huszar 592,Unger 461q,Pohl 127A,Rethy II-135B.



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Although maybe it took him more than 5 days to get a die cut
Looking it up further, apparently this specific type is attributed to 1446, the earlier part of Dmitry's reign. And there's some debate whether the end of the reign was actually in February 1447 rather than December 1446 anyway.

Neat coins @EddieDiz! I like those Hungarian denars, though I only have maybe one or two from this century.
Neat coins @tdziemia and @Spence as well! Some day I'll get an actual European dated 15th century coin...
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