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Walking Back In Time From 1600 To Antiquity By Decades (V3.0)

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 Posted 05/20/2022  9:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not a problem @tdz. You've got the numista link in there so it is all good. Anyone else have a coin minted starting in the 1160s?
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 Posted 05/21/2022  6:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Last call. Let's drop back to the 1150s starting tomorrow morning!
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 Posted 05/21/2022  7:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MartiVltori to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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AR ½ Dirham, 1169-1193, Dimashq (Damascus), 13mm, 0.69g, ~20°, A# 790
Obv: The name and the titles of the ruler inside a square.
Rev: The name and the titles of the caliph al-Mustadi inside a square.


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 Posted 05/22/2022  09:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just slipped that Half Dirham in under the wire @marti. Well done and thx for the super contribution!

Here is a Denier struck by the French City of Meaux between 1158 and 1161 AD. The obv inscription is something like MELt CIVITAS and the rev inscription is STEPHANVS ER CO. I have attributed it as Roberts 4981.


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 Posted 05/23/2022  2:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Palouche to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Lovely coins being shown!.....I've been learning a great deal as this thread moves on ...Thanks everyone!

Just a thought but maybe posters could put a decade title as the heading of their post?

I assume we are now on 1150's?
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 Posted 05/27/2022  11:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes Paul we are still on the 1150s. I've got a few more to post, but am hoping for some broader participation.

Here is a chipped Pfennig from the Swiss Canton of Basel that was minted somewhere between 1150 and 1200. I have attributed it as HMZ I-205a.




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This Obole was minted in the French Bishopric of Clermont over the course of perhaps a hundred years, starting at about 1150 AD. The obverse legend is S EA MARIA. And the reverse legend is + V ARVERNA. I have attributed it as Roberts 4908 and Duplessy 831.




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 Posted 05/29/2022  9:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wandering Circle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very neat. Was the indent on the portrait of Virgin Mary caused by the cross on the reverse?
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 Posted 05/29/2022  10:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bob L to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like it might be a brockage.
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Yes @wand, the crosses line up in both sides. @bob may very well be right (not sure the dude is ever wrong), but I had always sorta assumed that the reason for this somewhat common design transfer was due to the use of overly thin planchets. Hopefully someone with more knowledge can weigh in and teach us all something.

Added: also I should point out that the portrait on this coin is likely not Mary as that is a crown rather than a halo. The description in my books is fairly generic, "front view of head with crown" or the like.
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the portrait on this coin is likely not Mary as that is a crown rather than a halo


I digged around and I think this could be the answer: the "Saint Mary" on the coin could be Saint Marius from Auvergne, where Clermont is located. That would fit the inscription assuming the portrait was a male.

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_le_confesseur
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that the reason for this somewhat common design transfer was due to the use of overly thin planchets

Yes this is the reason given for this happening on most English pennies of the era. The strike on the reverse goes through the thin planchet.
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that the reason for this somewhat common design transfer was due to the use of overly thin planchets

Quite common also for French coins from this era. It appears on a couple of my latest (French) contributions too, although not quite as distinct as on the Clermont obole (a nice coin btw).

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the "Saint Mary" on the coin could be Saint Marius from Auvergne, where Clermont is located

Seems likely. Good job digging that up.
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I am not disappointed—you guys really came through with the answers. Well done helping me learn multiple things today. Thx!

Here is a Fractional Follaro that was minted in Messina between 1154 and 1168 AD. It was struck somewhat scyphate and has the obv inscription of REX W and MP OY. It was issued under the authority of Gugliemo I and is attributed as Biaggi 1226 and Spahr 99.




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I do have a Denier of Rodez that fits into this decade, but with my camera system down, I'm just going to have to wait until V4.0 to post it.

Anyone else have anything to post for this decade? If not, then we can drop back to the decade of the 1140s tomorrow.
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