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 Posted 08/01/2021  09:32 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Bacchus2 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hi - I have this coin - excuse the bluey picture.



The obverse seems to be this numista coin - of Joao V - note the legend. ND (1706-1750)
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces28437.html

However the reverse seems to be of this coin - note the "SIGNO" at 12 o'clock. ND (1799-1816)
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces35468.html

That's quite a gap in the mintage years for it to simply be a mule of some kind.

Happy to take any thoughts.
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 Posted 08/01/2021  11:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@bacchus, did you get this from a squirrelly source? Perhaps a modern fake? I'm not super-knowledgeable about these, but just throwing that out as one potential reason...
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 Posted 08/01/2021  12:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bacchus2 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm fairly confident the coin is old - its an obscure coin worth about 5 - with minimal collectors interested in it. It certainly not a modern fake - though it could be a contemporary one I suppose - but I doubt it. It looks legit.
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 Posted 08/01/2021  2:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hokiefan_82 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My apologies in advance if this is completely off-base (I know nothing about the coins of Portugal), but is this simply a coin-alignment vs. medal-alignment issue? If I rotate by 180 degrees one of the two reverses of the coins you show from Numista, they seem very similar besides some differences in the size of the lettering in the legend. I don't know if the size of the lettering is a key indicator of type, however. I note the first coin listed from Numista states it has coin alignment, but for the 2nd one it's not specified whether it is coin or medal alignment.
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08/01/2021 2:51 pm
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 Posted 08/01/2021  2:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add willieboyd2 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am not sure what the problem is.
The coin looks like Krause KM 175, both sides.

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 Posted 08/01/2021  3:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hokiefan_82 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This better explains what I was talking about in my earlier rambling post. The top picture is your coin, the bottom is the coin in your first link (KM# 175), with the reverse rotated 180 degrees.

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 Posted 08/01/2021  3:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bacchus2 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes that's it. Just having a senior moment doh! It's medal alignment which threw me off.

Thanks for the help.
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Ah good. Glad to hear that it isn't a fake!
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