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Thoughts On Whether This 1 Kyat Mindon Min Is Counterfeit Or Not

 
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 Posted 08/03/2021  4:03 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add orangey to your friends list Get a Link to this Message




Numista gives a weight of 11.66g, but this weighs 13.98g.
Numista gives a diameter of 31mm, but this measures 32mm.
I gave it a ping, and it doesn't sound like a clad, but doesn't quite ring as long as the other silver I have on hand.
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 Posted 08/03/2021  4:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
( I'm no pro, it's just my humble opinion )
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 Posted 08/03/2021  7:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gxseries to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It looks like a modern super counterfeits that are appearing in the market in the last couple of years
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 Posted 08/03/2021  10:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Numister to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
How to tell gx ? Is it cause of the unnatural toning ?
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 Posted 08/03/2021  10:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gxseries to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It looks very consistent to the super counterfeits that are appearing in the market. Such sellers often sell a batch of various 'rarities' at once but most are not genuine. A common dump and run away strategy.
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 Posted 08/04/2021  10:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add orangey to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This was the only one the seller had. And I have to say, whoever did it did a really nice job aside from the toning. The finish and details of the coin are quite fine. Unfortunately I can't find any online resources about what to specifically look for in a counterfeit kyat, besides the obvious weight and dimensions. I haven't found anyone listing defects, and such. If anyone knows of any, please post a link. Unfortunately, I'll probably have to return this to the dealer.
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 Posted 08/05/2021  03:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would say the coin is a counterfeit and most likely a Numismatic Forgery as opposed to a Contemporary Circulating Counterfeit. The reason is primarily the press used to strike this piece and what appears to be an undersized face measurement of the die. Looks like a transfer die that shrank in the process or that the coin press lacked the correct collar.

I would avoid it like the plague.
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 Posted 08/05/2021  03:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
One other comment - check the reeding on the edge of the coin. Make sure it is an in collar strike - the partial view of the reeding visible on the peacock side at the bottom of the looks wrong. Irregular and there may be split tail reeds present. That is usually the easiest tell on a coin like this. They never quite make them right. Copying the design on the two faces is actually the easy part, but unless they use the correct press and collar it will come out wrong. The deviation in the weight is also very significant - if you can find someone with an analytical balance accurate to 1/1000 the gram SG should tell the tale as well. Better than raw weight.
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 Posted 08/05/2021  07:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I could not find an auction sale with a mass greater than 11.8 g.
On the other hand I found it strange that a weight is listed for very few of these, even though a lot of them come up in an auction search.
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