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 Posted 08/04/2021  7:48 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Ericwats to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hi

I am pretty sure this MD however the ear is throwing me off! Please take a look and let me know what you think.

Thanks in advance, Eric





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 Posted 08/04/2021  7:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add -makecents- to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice, strong MD. A very good example.
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 Posted 08/04/2021  9:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes I agree with MD too. This is a great example @eric!
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 Posted 08/04/2021  9:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ijn1944 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Agree. Very nice Machine Doubling piece.
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 Posted 08/04/2021  10:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TNG to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Still . ,. . Machine Doubling is not an error and there is no added value for this coin.
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 Posted 08/04/2021  10:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add -makecents- to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Still . ,. . Machine Doubling is not an error
I think there are very sharp individuals, that have devoted there life to this "hobby" that would say otherwise.

http://www.error-ref.com/multiple-m...e-direction/


After thought. Maybe you meant, variety.
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 Posted 08/04/2021  10:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TNG to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nope, I meant Machine Doubling and if I'm wrong that it doesn't add value for this coin, I will be glad to admit it. All my days on this forum, I see many coins dismissed as just Machine Doubling or Mechanical Doubling that people thought were doubled dies.
I have been wrong many times but this would surprise me if it is valuable.
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 Posted 08/04/2021  10:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ericwats to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks folks, I will add it to my examples pile.

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 Posted 08/04/2021  10:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add -makecents- to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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if I'm wrong that it doesn't add value for this coin, I will be glad to admit it
You very obviously did not pay attention to what I used of your quote and what I omitted.

Worth, I agree, it is not a doubled die, error, why yes it is.
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 Posted 08/04/2021  10:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cujohn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's why instead of Machine Doubling I call it machine damage. Then there is no mistake about error or variety.
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 Posted 08/04/2021  11:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TNG to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I stand corrected on it being a mint error I guess.
It is not a variety but a unique result of shifty loose dies.
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I strongly disagree with calling Machine Doubling, Machine Damage, as it happened during the strike. If the minting machine damaged the coin, well then that's an error by definition. The coin is in no way damaged. And while it may be a minor and common error, there are a few folks who collect really strong MD, so not a topic to totally dismiss. Certain dates with strong MD are worth good money, or a really strong MD on an unusual date. 1957-D is probably the most valuable as there are some really nice ones on that date and mint mark that collectors look for. But for 1983, the OP's coin, I don't really see any increase in value for MD. I'd put it, as noted and agreed upon, in an slip as a good example of MD and use it as a reference coin.

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 Posted 08/05/2021  6:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cujohn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The instant the planchet is struck, that's the strike. Anything after that such as die movement is not part of the minting process, and is damage.
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 Posted 08/05/2021  7:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well the strike happened, then the damage happened after the strike.

If the machine had not damaged the coin, it would have been a normal coin. So I consider the term correct when used in the right context.
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