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With MD Can Metal On The Devices Be Pushed Up?

 
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 Posted 09/16/2021  7:52 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Wrekkdd to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I was just checking out a 1975 dollar and the BE in Elizabeth seem to maybe have MD but where it occured it looked like metal was pushed up making the device thicker where MD happened, is this normal for some MD? I apologize the lighting is not as great at the moment outside. But I'm sure it raises. Or is it possibly a die gouge?
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 Posted 09/16/2021  8:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JimmyD to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
MD can't push the metal up.
Looks like it has taken a hit pushing the metal. PMD
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 Posted 09/16/2021  9:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wrekkdd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@JimmyD if you want I can show you a photo where there is no light refraction, there is no hot tho the B and you can sort of see it on the E as well. That's why I'm thinking die gouge(probably just as unlikely though) I'll post a better picture if needed.
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 Posted 09/16/2021  9:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add john100 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
May I ask what your goals in collecting these minor variations that are mostly the bases of the die wearing through out it"s intended span, if you look hard enough you will find all kinds of small nicks and dings on all circulating coins. That is why a MS 66 in some years is worth thousands while a MS 65 of the same year is worth hundred or so, when shows start again, some dealers will have binders of these small variation and very little buyers and you will have one dealer thinking these are major stuff and worth 50 to 100 bucks each, go through the rolls if you don't see anything major there is really no demand for minor stuff
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 Posted 09/17/2021  07:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wrekkdd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If I see something different I put it aside, I'm not going through rolls of 1$ coins, most banks won't give me them, I was just going through my 1$ coins with my scope. I'm not collecting them because they have any errors on them I'm collecting them to have them. I have many of the post 1968 1$ coins. As for posts in the past with cents and other things, that's just me learning I haven't collected any of the minor errors iv posted, I do put aside some of the major DDD and MD but not for a seller, for my own examples of Die Deterioration etc. Most people I know don't even know of the old 1$ coins and they all had a fairly low mintage, same with 50 pieces. There is not a premium marker for any non silver coins unless in very good shape, and even then with a high graded modern dollar or 50 piece there is not much of a market. I'm still getting used to seeing coins up so close, I see a lot of minor things that I couldn't see before. I don't believe this is from damage to the coin, that is why I posted it, I'm not sure what it is so I ask.
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 Posted 09/18/2021  12:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JohnWayne007 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, Machine Doubling can push metal up, when a coin is subject to Machine Doubling if the die shifts or vibrates and nudges the devices (details, words, etc.) on its way back up from the strike it can force the metal to be pushed and somewhat lift up, think of a giant wave curling when surfing, or using an ice cream scoop is also a good example, it will try to curl and make a mound of metal on top of the device that was subject to Machine Doubling.
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 Posted 09/18/2021  1:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wrekkdd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@JohnWayne007, thanks for answering my question. I have seen several forms of MD(different ways that it effects the devices) and it's not always the same.
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