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 Posted 09/17/2021  5:29 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Oldfordman to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
If say I went into the shop sanded a coin down with the 120 then 240 and 800 to FR-02 and wore it to PO-01 straight so the surface looks natural and there is no sanding marks is this considered cheating? I think so. I am doing an experiment on this and will post pics when I am done.
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 Posted 09/17/2021  5:54 pm  Show Profile   Check Collects82's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Collects82 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So an accelerated weardown vs a few decades authentically traveling the pockets of the economy.

Show us how it goes. Natural wear is pretty tough to imitate, so might be hard to get away with a fake that's not just a damaged coin.

Some people intentionally walk around with a coin for years with the intent of creating a lowball.
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 Posted 09/17/2021  6:02 pm  Show Profile   Check silverwolf's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add silverwolf to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I've heard of people using rock tumblers to accelerate the process.
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 Posted 09/17/2021  6:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What a country!
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 Posted 09/17/2021  6:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ijn1944 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Would be fun to watch someone apply progressively finer grit around tiny devices--all those nooks, creases, small openings, etc., etc.
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 Posted 09/17/2021  7:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Oldfordman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I've heard of people using rock tumblers to accelerate the process.


I have tried this and it didn't work. The coin got covered with gouges that completely destroyed it.
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 Posted 09/17/2021  8:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hokiefan_82 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'd be surprised if that could be done well enough to get a straight grade at a TPG, but I've seen several straight-graded PO-1 clad Ikes in PCGS holders over the years that I wondered how they could have truly achieved that level of wear even after 30 or 40 years as a pocket piece...

The oldest member of our coin club recently related the story of how he acquired an uncirculated 1928-S Peace dollar (his birth year) when he was young. He carried it as a pocket piece for decades until it was worn just about smooth. He laughed and said he regretted now not just putting it away as a keepsake when he got it.
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The oldest member of our coin club recently related the story of how he acquired an uncirculated 1928-S Peace dollar (his birth year) when he was young. He carried it as a pocket piece for decades until it was worn just about smooth. He laughed and said he regretted now not just putting it away as a keepsake when he got it.


To be fair, how many people can say they have a PO-1 1928 S Peace dollar?
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1980d half, 1964d nickel, 2004p nickel, 2004d unrecognizable date.
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 Posted 09/17/2021  10:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Numis-Northerner to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think the light color gives away it being artificial, however the 1964 might get by if the reverse is as good as the obverse.
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 Posted 09/17/2021  10:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Oldfordman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Oops. Here are the reverses.

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 Posted 09/18/2021  1:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hokiefan_82 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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To be fair, how many people can say they have a PO-1 1928 S Peace dollar?


Yes, indeed
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 Posted 09/18/2021  3:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Oldfordman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The color will improve. They have been pocketed for 2 days only in that picture.
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 Posted 09/18/2021  3:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Zurie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
They'll probably regain some patina as pocket pieces given time. That's why I never understood lowball collecting. It seems too easy to replicate wear, much easier than restoring original surfaces on a high grade coin.
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 Posted 09/20/2021  8:53 pm  Show Profile   Check BadThad's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Similar to toning, the true question is market acceptability. If the wear and patina isn't right, I would think experience would dictate. Lowballs are tough and tricky to collect! I've found many lowballs but most of them I've rejected due to damage - including "artificial wear".
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