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1896 5 Cent. Large Or Small 96?

 
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 Posted 09/19/2021  9:27 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add 2rtgah678 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message

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 Posted 09/19/2021  9:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fourmack to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
standard not large
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 Posted 09/19/2021  9:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DBM to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Where can a pic of this variety be found?
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 Posted 09/20/2021  07:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JimmyD to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I know of a 1886 large and small 6, but never heard of a 1896.
As DBM stated, where can we find information on this variety.
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 Posted 09/20/2021  11:24 am  Show Profile   Check 47P7's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 47P7 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ok fellows.
below are 3 of my 1896 5 cent nickels next to the subject coin.
what is there to see? I have never seen a large or small 96. But that does not mean it is nonexistent.
However, there is a re-punched 6 on some of them. maybe that creates the illusion of large/small 96?
H2 is a rep 6
thanks
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 Posted 09/25/2021  10:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rocky to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
47P7 totally incredible images. I am going to put a grid on these images. you might have more there than you think wow
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 Posted 09/26/2021  09:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add okiecoiner to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Your first 2 coins have a larger space between the 9 & 6, and the subject coin looks like the 6 ids slightly rotated CW. Your last coin seems to match the subject coin, with the same spacing and rotation. If I had to guess, I'd say that the last digit may have been handpunched into the die, hence the slight dirreences.
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 Posted 09/26/2021  9:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rocky to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
okiecoiner wow you still have a very sharp eye. but there is a little more. the subject coin is a large 8. the digit 6 on his coin matches none of these coins. it small by comparison. so his coin has a small 6
47P7 coin H2 large 8 coins H1 and H 3 both small 8. also wide date the 6 on his coin is a quarter of the 6 wider than all other coins. I wonder what the reverses would look like. every coin was used as a template once. so there is nothing else to list. the is a few slight leaf variation. not much but there is differences. 47P7 there is 2 types of different 5s in your coins. take a close look at the 5s end lopes. you can see for yourself. oh very nice coins congrats nice collection
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 Posted 09/26/2021  10:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rocky to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
i want to clarify its H 3 that has the wide date. none of the coins match his wide date 47P7
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 Posted 09/27/2021  07:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add okiecoiner to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't think that there is any larger or smaller digits/fonts on the 1, 8, or 9.... only the handpunched 6. The subject coin is just well worn which makes all digits appear fatter. That is just like any other coin of any denomination. Digits and letters on the die are tapered so that the coin elements are narrower on the top and wider at the bottom. It's like that so that the coin releases from the die when struck. As a coin wears, the digit and/letter will appear larger the closer the wear down gets to the field. It's that way through the complete denomination groups from large cents to dollars and from Vicky to Elizabeth.
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 Posted 10/24/2021  02:45 am  Show Profile   Check TerryT's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add TerryT to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here are 2 different looking 96's. Both have about the same amount of wear. First looks to be like the H2 P47P showed, with the short 1 and weak high 8, more robust-looking 96. Mine might be heavily repunched 96, which gives the appearance of a larger variety.



Second one looks like the H3, with the 6 slanted to the right. It's centre hole points to 1 o'clock, not 12.



Here are the dates with parallel lines, same widths for both photos. I used the top of CE, and the bottom of 1-8.


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10/25/2021 01:27 am
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 Posted 10/25/2021  09:30 am  Show Profile   Check 47P7's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 47P7 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
JimmyD + DBM
which Variety are you talking about? the OP's coin?
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 Posted 10/25/2021  12:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add okiecoiner to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Except for the repunched 6, I still think that it's due to normal wear, where the digits get "fatter" the more that they wear down. You would 2 coins with similar wear to actually compare the and make sure they were't concave of convex. The "lined" examples are not the same amount of wear .. just look at the leaves. The last 2 photos with the lines are not at the same magnification so you can't compare.
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10/25/2021 2:03 pm
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 Posted 10/25/2021  12:35 pm  Show Profile   Check 47P7's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 47P7 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ok, thank you for all your input and help.
here is another thought.
It looks like the 18 are reasonable all the same.
could it be, for whatever reason, that the last 2 digits were hand punched on ALL or most pieces?
It could explain all these discrepancies and positions?
if that would be so, then we should perhaps find ONE or more which could be the original coin.
perhaps use the BoC web site and see what they have?
unfortunately, I have to tend to last night's storm issues (leftovers)and have no time today.
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oh my god. I dident realize this post had so many reply's. also the only reason I asked cause coinsandcanada.com has the larger 96 as a verity that is more valuable. and thanks for all your input
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 Posted 10/26/2021  5:40 pm  Show Profile   Check TerryT's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add TerryT to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I took great care to make sure the lines on the 2 photos are the same. The width between the CENTS lines are the same on both, the distance between the bottom CENTS line and the top date line are the same, and the width between the date lines are the same on both coins - use a ruler and measure yourself. Both coins were photographed at exactly the same distance and same lighting.
The wear on the leaves is so close (see the larger photos) to being the same that any further wear would certainly not make the top 96 as thick and prominent as the lower image. Heck, you can see the bottom 96 is obviously raised much higher and is wider than the other coin without any magnification.
Repunching of both digits made them bigger. Even a different punch than the original style could have been used. Look at the ends of the sixes and nines - they have different looks - some have balls and some are elongated.
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10/26/2021 5:46 pm
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