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 Posted 10/06/2021  7:34 pm  Show Profile   Check daltonista's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add daltonista to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Here we have a nice big British two-penny copper token issued 1811-12 by John Henrickson's Lemmonsly Worsted Mill located in Lichfield, Staffordshire. Withers cites an 1814 directory that described the business as a "Calico, Cotton and Shirting Manufacturer."

For my discussion of the unusual Lichfield borough seal, please see my May 5, 2021 entry here: http://goccf.com/t/333963&whichpage=28

Staffordshire, Lichfield: Withers 820, Davis 87 (39g, 41mm).



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 Posted 10/06/2021  7:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add commems to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As always, an interesting piece from a collecting area of which I have essentially no knowledge. Thanks for the education!

Did these tokens circulate alongside the official coinage or were they a local replacement coinage?




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 Posted 10/06/2021  9:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mrwhatisit to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I must say, there are some interesting tidbits of history here...
This is a Russian 1924 50 kopeks (90% silver) which shows a Russian worker being 'industrious' with his talents.

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 Posted 10/06/2021  11:14 pm  Show Profile   Check daltonista's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add daltonista to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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commems asked: Did these tokens circulate alongside the official coinage or were they a local replacement coinage?

Both, really...but the proximate cause, of course, was the crippling scarcity of "small change." The Crown had not issued any copper coinage since 1806, nor any shillings or sixpence since 1787, so the supply was shrinking while demand was flourishing. Other issues contributed to this phenomenon as well, such as inflation; the widespread trend away from agrarianism and a barter economy and toward employer-employee relationships in mines, factories, mills, etc.; and an oversupply of copper that made it profitable for "mints" -- often button manufacturers -- to get into the token business. So, by 1810 there was so little regal coinage in circulation that many localities tolerated and/or encouraged the token issues as a way to keep the wheels of commerce turning.

Tokens were viewed as a pretty good advertising medium too, and in the case of the silver tokens, which had only a two-year run, many cities and county issued their own tokens as well.

That's the simplistic off-the-top-of-my-head summary, of course: whole books have addressed the token coinage, starting with the mid-1600's, in great detail. If you can get your hands on one book in particular -- perhaps through Interlibrary Loan -- I'd recommend British Trade Tokens: A Social and Economic History by J.R.S. Whiting (Drake Publishers, New York, 1970). The first chapter, entitled "Historical Background," addresses all those contributing factors and more, across three centuries.

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 Posted 10/07/2021  07:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add commems to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@daltonista: Thanks much for the additional history!


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Here we have a nice big British two-penny copper token issued 1811-12 by John Henrickson's Lemmonsly Worsted Mill located in Lichfield, Staffordshire.

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This is a Russian 1924 50 kopeks (90% silver) which shows a Russian worker being 'industrious' with his talents.
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 Posted 10/09/2021  12:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mrwhatisit to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks as if I should post my Condor token from 1793...
Iohn Wilkinson, iron master, low grade, so it probably circulated for some time.


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Looks as if I should post my Condor token from 1793... Iohn Wilkinson, iron master, low grade, so it probably circulated for some time.
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 Posted 10/16/2021  3:18 pm  Show Profile   Check daltonista's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add daltonista to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

This 19th-century token depicting a man working a loom had several predecessors using very similar imagery among the Conders issued 15-20 years earlier in towns like Norwich, Rochdale, and Colchester, to cite just a few examples. This is how Withers opens the description of this penny: "Jackson & Lister were linen manufacturers and cotton bleachers."

Barnsley, Yorkshire: Withers 12, Davis 75 (34mm, 22g).

Here's a 19th-century illustration of a simlar loom in action:

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 Posted 10/17/2021  07:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add commems to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@mrwhatisit: Interesting design on the coin from Russia - too bad a previous owner subjected it to such a harsh cleaning!

Also, Congrats! on #600! Did you always imagine that you'd stick around long enough to make the many posts? Glad you're here.

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 Posted 10/17/2021  07:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add commems to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@daltonista: Very cool! It's always nice to see tokens from the 1800s that remain in such an attractive state of preservation.

I have a few modern silver medals with a textile industry theme, I'll have to get them out and post a few images.


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Thanks commems, I didn't know if I was going to stick around this long, but I like helping folk around here if it is something I can help answer, or just to help add to the general body of knowledge. I didn't like the cleaning on that Russian coin but the price was right and it was a coin from there I didn't have yet. That condor token was from my dads former coin collection when he was into coins some 40 years ago, and he held onto them for a long time until I inherited them.
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