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1814 Large Cent With Envelope (Ex. C. B. Wolfe)

 
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 Posted 09/25/2021  8:33 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add hokiefan_82 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I bought this large cent in early 2017 at auction, and received with it the envelope the coin was stored in by the previous owner, C.B. Wolfe. I did a brief Google search, and while I couldn't find much I did find that he was a member of Early American Coppers, and thus the notation "EAC 2587" on the envelope.

Mr. Wolfe died at age 93 in January of 2011, and this coin was part of his collection sold in 2017. I did find an old topic in this forum from another member who had a coin with a similar envelope from the same gentleman. I keep the envelope in a flip with the coin, and will pass them on together if and when I ever sell it.

I thought it was a bit of an interesting piece of history; I have many coins with attribution on the TPG holders, but this is the only one where I have an old coin envelope like this.

By the way, while Mr. Wolfe had given it a grade of F, PCGS deemed it VF25.


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 Posted 09/25/2021  8:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm at F-15 on this. Cannot see VF in any respect.
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 Posted 09/25/2021  8:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bust10cent to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice find. You have to wonder what collections that coin was a part of prior to Mr Wolfe acquiring it. It so cool seeing the envelope from the old school collecting method. Nice collector grade with a nice planchet. F12 is extremely conservative.
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 Posted 09/25/2021  8:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Oldfordman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
F15 nice eye appeal
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Always nice to be able to place your coin with a provenance to another collection in the past. This example is a superb coin for the era. No problems and great surfaces.

The Early American Coppers (EAC) group prides itself on the depth of research that its members do learning about coinage.

Ralph Rucker took that research to a new level in his book on the 22 envelopes that contained these coins.

He shares why his believes his research is important and what inspired him to begin this literary quest.

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Thank you for the comments. I've always been fascinated imagining the paths the U.S. coins I own have taken to finally reach my hands (especially the 18th and 19th century ones), and it's nice to have a little something from the person who owned this one before me!

I agree that PCGS was generous with assigning a VF25 grade to this coin and took that into consideration on my bidding at the time, but I remember being attracted to it by the fairly decent strike and nice overall appearance. And I still am .

@westcoin, I'm somewhat familiar with EAC, but hadn't heard of that publication. Interesting!
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@westcoin, I'm somewhat familiar with EAC, but hadn't heard of that publication. Interesting
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I don't know if they still give them out with membership, I would bet they are out of them by now. They do pop up on eBay from time to time. Usually in a lot of other EAC literature bundled or so I've noticed.

EAC is a great organization https://www.eacs.org
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 Posted 09/26/2021  01:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hokiefan_82 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks, I'll check that out.
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 Posted 09/26/2021  09:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Slider23 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am fine with the coin at VF25. Maybe a little over graded, but a really nice example with original skin.
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 Posted 09/26/2021  09:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kanga to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just on a guess, Wolfe's grade of "F" could be a grade based on EAC standards.
As I understand it EAC grading starts with a technical grade, then adjusts that for specific irregularities.
So the PCGS grade of VF-25 was probably the starting point (the technical grade).

Anyway, I like it and would gladly include it in my collection.
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 Posted 09/26/2021  11:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cipster to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I also have a coin with a Wolfe pedigree bought at a Heritage Auction. In this case his grade was higher than PCGS.



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My friend Mark Borckardt, Senior Cataloger and numismatist with Heritage, is also the EAC historian and is probably a big part of why Heritage keeps the envelopes and passes them on to the buyers of EAC coins.

I'm glad others also see value in them as well, as it is a good way to help preserve the provenance of a certain coin, which allows us to track it over time as it moves through various collectors hands. Some known others not so much, but no matter the legacy will live on, and it's easier to keep if we know the caretakers of the coins through time and history.
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Very cool
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Just on a guess, Wolfe's grade of "F" could be a grade based on EAC standards.

@kanga, that's what I was assuming. I've noticed over the years that Heritage Auctions often lists the EAC grade for early coppers, and it's almost always lower than the grade on the slabs.
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