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1964 1 Cent DDR, Extra Spine

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 Posted 10/03/2021  12:01 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add JohnWayne007 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Finishing up my weekend roll hunt and came across this gem, I have read about it online and seen many photos in high grade but I could never actually see the full "spine" due to glare.

This example is reddish-brown which helps it photograph beautifully.

Searching Canadian Small Cents daily since 2018.

Some of my Discoveries.
1941 Georgivs VI 1 Cent DDO http://goccf.com/t/367977
1951 Georgivs VI 1 Cent DDO Type 2 http://goccf.com/t/363635
1976 Queen Elizabeth II 1 Cent DDO Type 1 http://goccf.com/t/373627
1976 Queen Elizabeth II 1 Cent DDO Type 2 http://goccf.com/t/408163
1989 Belize 25 Cent's DDR http://goccf.com/t/362747
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 Posted 10/11/2021  11:35 pm  Show Profile   Check SPP-Ottawa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add SPP-Ottawa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Got a nice BU one coming your way... let us know here what you think of it.
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 Posted 10/12/2021  09:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinman91 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Excellent photo!
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 Posted 10/12/2021  10:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wrekkdd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice find, I still haven't found a double spine or bud, I have a few that look like priming Dados but can't photo them yet without screen shots.
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 Posted 10/13/2021  03:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JohnWayne007 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Got a nice BU one coming your way... let us know here what you think of it.


SPP-Ottawa, I am really looking forward to being able to examine a BU example of this variety and sharing it with the members here, it has been a tough one to find and your offer for sending a BU example was very generous, thank you for the opportunity!




Wrekkdd & Coinman91
Thank you, gentlemen.




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I still haven't found a double spine or bud


It took me a while to start finding them but once I got a fairly good connection to get small cents they did start popping up now and again, this particular one though is tough.
Searching Canadian Small Cents daily since 2018.

Some of my Discoveries.
1941 Georgivs VI 1 Cent DDO http://goccf.com/t/367977
1951 Georgivs VI 1 Cent DDO Type 2 http://goccf.com/t/363635
1976 Queen Elizabeth II 1 Cent DDO Type 1 http://goccf.com/t/373627
1976 Queen Elizabeth II 1 Cent DDO Type 2 http://goccf.com/t/408163
1989 Belize 25 Cent's DDR http://goccf.com/t/362747
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 Posted 10/27/2021  11:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Daveovington to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What does it mean ," double spine " ? I have several 1964 pennies . Several of all the 60's and I'm trying to learn about them
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 Posted 10/27/2021  11:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wrekkdd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@daveovington, double spine refers to the double die variety. If you look closely to the right of the bud you can see an extra spine.
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 Posted 10/27/2021  9:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JohnWayne007 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
UPDATE


Shoutout to SPP-Ottawa for the gorgeous 1964 Extra Spine example, this is one variety I have not had the chance to actually examine in hand and as stated previously, most of the photos online are not clear enough to make out the extra spine so I was very excited when I received this in the mail.

Below are close-ups of the example SPP=Ottawa was kind enough to send me.







For those who might not notice right away, this is not the same as the original 1964 I had made this post about, from what I can tell, it is a completely new variant of the extra spine.





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What does it mean ," double spine " ? I have several 1964 pennies . Several of all the 60's and I'm trying to learn about them


Daveovington, Wrekkdd is correct, you will see that there is an extra spine (or branch) protruding from the bud in the first photo that this post was originally made for.

When searching the 1964 cents keep an eye on the bud area, this is typically where you will find doubled design details (the bud or spine).
Searching Canadian Small Cents daily since 2018.

Some of my Discoveries.
1941 Georgivs VI 1 Cent DDO http://goccf.com/t/367977
1951 Georgivs VI 1 Cent DDO Type 2 http://goccf.com/t/363635
1976 Queen Elizabeth II 1 Cent DDO Type 1 http://goccf.com/t/373627
1976 Queen Elizabeth II 1 Cent DDO Type 2 http://goccf.com/t/408163
1989 Belize 25 Cent's DDR http://goccf.com/t/362747
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 Posted 10/27/2021  10:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fourmack to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Found 1
what do you think?

Cheers Don

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 Posted 10/27/2021  10:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JohnWayne007 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Found 1
what do you think?


Fourmack,

I think you just found a 3rd variant, It is an extra spine but it is also different compared to the two I posted, nice find!
Searching Canadian Small Cents daily since 2018.

Some of my Discoveries.
1941 Georgivs VI 1 Cent DDO http://goccf.com/t/367977
1951 Georgivs VI 1 Cent DDO Type 2 http://goccf.com/t/363635
1976 Queen Elizabeth II 1 Cent DDO Type 1 http://goccf.com/t/373627
1976 Queen Elizabeth II 1 Cent DDO Type 2 http://goccf.com/t/408163
1989 Belize 25 Cent's DDR http://goccf.com/t/362747
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 Posted 10/27/2021  10:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fourmack to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
1 out of 55 coins
Cheers Don

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"Old" is a figure of speech and nothing more
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 Posted 10/27/2021  10:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinman91 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice find fourmack!
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 Posted 10/27/2021  10:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fourmack to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
thought you might like this as it looks different
Looks like a long bent fork

Cheers Don

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 Posted 10/28/2021  3:20 pm  Show Profile   Check SPP-Ottawa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add SPP-Ottawa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Any idea how Christian Houle documents these in his 1-cent book? I don't have the book handy at the moment.
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 Posted 10/28/2021  3:21 pm  Show Profile   Check SPP-Ottawa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add SPP-Ottawa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Shoutout to SPP-Ottawa for the gorgeous 1964 Extra Spine example...


Most welcome, as you can tell, those were also struck with fresh dies, with the frosting on the devices. I believe the obverse has a strong cameo also.
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 Posted 10/28/2021  3:25 pm  Show Profile   Check SPP-Ottawa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add SPP-Ottawa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Also, that one I sent you, differs from the one I have in my PCGS Showcase Set on small cent varieties (which is also graded PCGS MS-66 Red):

https://www.PCGS.com/cert/35035471

This one looks similar to the version fourmack posted.

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