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No Date Lincoln Memorial Cent Mint Error - Off Center, Double Struck, Split Planchet

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 Posted 10/17/2021  8:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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 Posted 10/18/2021  01:17 am  Show Profile   Check tropicalbats's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add tropicalbats to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, seems a 1973, a cool fact indeed. Knowing the year is cool fact #1, and now on to what is going on with the striking. I really, really appreciate those who have noticed the FG and made the year clear. Can't say enough about that help, as it was something I missed. Thank you so much. But still, what made this coin?
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 Posted 10/18/2021  08:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add -makecents- to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I came back yesterday, multiple times and stared at the closeups you loaded in the second set of pics, trying to imagine and came up empty. The very last pic messes with me the most, can't figure out how that got peeled back.
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The very last pic messes with me the most, can't figure out how that got peeled back.


IMHO- the lines were created by some sort of repetitive motion from a mechanical device when the planchet got stuck in the production line (before or after getting struck). I imagine a thin planchet would not "travel" or react to the mechanical equipment as intended.

(I wonder if this action may have even contributed to the planchet splitting along a previous "fault line" in the planchet.)

Really good images of the 2nd hit along the edge. A secondary rim seems to be evident along with the little "tic".

Nice catch on the reverse initial's Coop. Hadn't even looked at them. 1973 P, D, or S it is.
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 Posted 10/18/2021  10:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I wanted to train others to see what I saw, to add to their knowledge. Rather than blurt it out.
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 Posted 10/18/2021  10:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The so called obverse side looks like a capped obverse die struck off center.

The blue lines look like rolling lines on the stock metal, altered after the strike.

The damaged area makes me wonder if it was jammed in a counting machine? Thus the grinding affect on the planchet on one side of the rotating area on the coin counter?

If so, it might be a unique error.

Weight? (I may have missed that?) Sent Mike a message to see what he thinks.
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 Posted 10/18/2021  11:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mikediamond to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is a saddle (tandem) strike on a split-before-strike planchet. One of the off-center strikes is miniscule, but its presence was necessary for the hump to form. The larger off-center strike is uniface (covered by an unstruck planchet on the obverse). The right side of the striated face is damaged. Since it doesn't overlap either strike, it's impossible to determine whether it's pre-strike or post-strike damage.
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 Posted 10/18/2021  4:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Mike. Always nice to hear it all from you.
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 Posted 10/18/2021  5:21 pm  Show Profile   Check tropicalbats's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add tropicalbats to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Mike! I'm still kind of trying to take in the answer though, as that's an awfully crisp reverse to be on a split before strike planchet weighing just 1.12g. Maybe that's what led to the uniface call as would look much different if the chamber were empty.
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As you correctly surmise, Tropicalbats, the crisp reverse is due to the uniface strike. The added planchet created an aggregate thickness greater than that of a normal planchet which consequently led to an increase in effective striking pressure.
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Jefferson nickel doubled dies Wexler/Rebar complete listings

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 Posted 10/18/2021  10:07 pm  Show Profile   Check tropicalbats's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add tropicalbats to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So, Mike, while I am currently back in the field catching bats, and won't be home for another week to play with coins... exactly how would you label this? I always enjoy your expert opinions, but am right now unable to label this coin..
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 Posted 10/19/2021  1:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mikediamond to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Saddle strike on a split planchet, with the larger off-center strike uniface.
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 Posted 10/19/2021  2:56 pm  Show Profile   Check tropicalbats's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add tropicalbats to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks, much appreciated!
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