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Ancient Chinese Fantasy Coins (Id: Modern Fake Of Chinese Fantasy Coin)

 
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 Posted 10/19/2021  04:32 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add laolao to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hi all,
I have inherited of several Chinese coins such this one. My father told me that these coins come from Japanese having fled from China in year 1900 and give these coins as present.
After some research It seems that is called as " fantasy coins" and have a lot of forgeries. Weight: 38 grams ; Diameter: 45 mm; Thickness: 3 mm. Look to be Emperor Kuang Hsu, made in Kwangtung Province.
Anyone have an idea about the authenticity and price of this coins ?





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 Posted 10/19/2021  05:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add laolao to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Many Thanks Mr. John
I am stamps collector and no have experience in coins.
I have inherited about 50 coins like this if any experienced collector can advise ?
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 Posted 10/19/2021  06:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@laolao, first welcome to CCF. Second, can you please sort these by which ones are attracted to a magnet? That is a good first test to see which ones are modern fantasies.
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 Posted 10/19/2021  07:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
laolao,
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 Posted 10/19/2021  2:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Albert to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The back story is likely not accurate.
The authenticity looks to be false.
The value looks to be zero or near zero.
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 Posted 10/20/2021  12:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
"Fantasy coins" are not, technically, forgeries - for something to be counterfeit, there has to be a genuine coin that looks similar to it, and fantasy coins have no such genuine coins. But it is nevertheless true that it is not a real coin.

The certificate is interesting; it appears to be an XRF chemical analysis report from a testing lab in China. I see the composition is given as 55% copper, 26% zinc, 17% nickel, with trace amounts of silver and iron. This composition would classify as "nickel-brass" or "German silver", an alloy which was not used to make coins back in 1900. I haven't seen a chemical analysis of one of these Chinese fantasy/replica coins before. Needless to say, if it were a genuine hundred-year-old coin from China, it should be made of over 90% silver, rather than 1.26% silver.

This fantasy is almost certainly modern (late 20th century), and not 100 years old. As for value, such fantasies normally sell in the street markets in China and elsewhere for a couple of dollars each.
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 Posted 10/20/2021  01:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add laolao to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Many thanks for all your reply. Yes it is so good to be true.
I have many coins with this type of certificate but all appears with only 1% of silver.
So I should consider that they don't have a great value
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 Posted 10/20/2021  01:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Albert to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Specific gravity would be about 8.38 if tested properly.
Certainly not silver as it would be if genuine.
But the scan already shows that.
It would also fail the suspended magnet and magnet slide tests among others.
The genuine fantasy coin would be Kann #B19, Bruce X#130 made in silver.
This is clearly a reasonable likeness, but it's just a cheap imitation composed of the wrong metals.
Genuine fantasy coins were made by workers in a number of mints back in the day, but his isn't one of them.
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 Posted 10/30/2021  01:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Albert to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here's another Kuang Hsu fantasy forgery.
Rather comical Sichuan rupee.

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@prince, please keep your commentary numismatic in nature and not dripping in sarcasm. Thx.
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