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Rare Coin Made In Colonial New England Could Fetch $300,000

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 Posted 11/17/2021  1:07 pm  Show Profile   Check westcoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add westcoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
kbbpll Much thanks for listing the catalog, I added it to my pdf catalog file! Never can have enough catalogs on my research hard drive.
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 Posted 11/17/2021  3:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add january1may to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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The photo the news site used for the article is absolutely astounding! At first, I thought it had been photoshopped by the writer to make for a catchier photo.


The coin that caught my eye was the Commonwealth unite. That must have been some collector.

I see there's a gold half crown in the listing - think we had a member who was interested in getting one?


EDIT: the suggestion that many of those coins were added to the collection shortly after issue is intriguing. I know of some 18th century cases like that, but AFAIK none from the 17th century. Anyone knows what's the oldest recorded coin provenance?
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11/17/2021 3:13 pm
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 Posted 11/17/2021  9:09 pm  Show Profile   Check westcoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add westcoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It really would be interesting to see list of every coin in the tin listed out. Denomination, date, country, etc. Gives quite an insight to what was put aside as an accumulation of coinage items from the 1700's or early 1800's.
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 Posted 11/17/2021  11:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kbbpll to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@westcoin yes it would be interesting to know what specifically are in these lots from the same tin. The latest date I see is 1876 so it spans 220+ years.

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France / North America, billon sou marqué of 24 deniers, 1740 d (Lyon), probably a contemporary forgery (cf Breen 451), silver wash largely missing, considerable verdigris, very fine; with a small group of French, French Colonial and other coins in silver (3), billon (3) and copper (5), broadly of types which may have circulated in North America, mostly poor to fine (13) £80-120

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U.S.A., Miscellaneous issues (17), half-dollar, 1817, obverse dark-toned, good very fine; dimes (2), 1857, 1876; nickels (3), all shield without rays, 1867, 1868 (2), cents (10), 1827, 1831, 1837 (2), medium and small letters, 1841, 1842, 1845, 1851, 1862, 1864 without l, the 1837 small letters cent, extremely fine, others fine to very fine; St Patrick farthing, fair (17) £200-250
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 Posted 11/18/2021  05:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add january1may to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The latest stuff is all crammed into a single lot:

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1025
Miscellaneous coins and medals (64), mostly minor 17th-18th silver and billon issues of the world, including BrunswickLüneburg sixth-thaler, 1791, Clausthal (Schön 360), this virtually mint state, with minor striking flaw, also including a
few ancient coins and several old forgeries, mixed grades and quality; together with a further group of 1960s era world
coinage(46), many very fine (110) £150-250

The newest coin I'm seeing on the BBC photo is what looks like an Austrian heller or fractional kreuzer (mid-19th to early 20th century) at roughly 6:40h from the center of the tin. I'm not very confident in the ID, though, and there's nothing like that in the lot descriptions.

I wonder if they're selling the tin itself? I couldn't find it in the catalog.
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 Posted 11/18/2021  10:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kbbpll to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I hadn't noticed, but there are many other "Beaumont family collection" coins scattered throughout the catalog. I guess they only grouped the American ones with the tin story.
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 Posted 11/23/2021  1:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add whatdowehavehere to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Due to the way that the accumulation was presented, probably it was lifted from some Lord or so. Have to think that... on another note: there is a mid-17thC book on Coins, printed in London, that mentions a curious plain silver coin, with XII stamped on one side, and NE on the other. The author's thoughts was that it was a "new" type of Norwiche Shillinge... I wondr if this was the coin that he noticed
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11/23/2021 1:42 pm
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 Posted 11/23/2021  2:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kbbpll to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What book? I think you might be referring to A Table of English Silver Coins, by Martin Folkes, 1745. It's the earliest reference to the New England coins that I know of. Mid-18th century, not 17th, and Newcastle, not Norwiche. If not this book, it would be good if you could cite your reference. Second paragraph:

As noted in the threepence thread, the book also has the earliest plates of the NE shilling and sixpence (but no threepence).
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11/23/2021 2:26 pm
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 Posted 11/24/2021  8:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add whatdowehavehere to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
kbbpll: I had that book maybe 3 decades ago (Elizabeth Book Auctions), and sold it on eBay. There was no mention at all about the coin being like a New World anything, but I remember 'Norwiche"...
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11/24/2021 8:14 pm
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 Posted 11/25/2021  04:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add january1may to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Logically "commonly reported to have been struck at Newcastle" implies that there were previous reports attributing it to Newcastle. They just hadn't been found yet.

I hope someone manages to find your book too.
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 Posted 11/25/2021  11:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add whatdowehavehere to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
january1may: the reason that I finally sold the book (a couple of $hundred) is that I had mention the author's lack of knowledge about the coin. According to that book, at least one NE shilling was in London as early as the mid-1650' (and the shilling was the only denom. mentioned). The gold Commonwealth Pound is a very rare coin, so the collection had its roots as far back as the 1650's. The "emphasis" on some early US nova moneta, as the nice LIBERTAS medal and the two late 18thC Cont. Dollars show, attest to a certain collecting bent.
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11/25/2021 11:58 am
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 Posted 11/26/2021  12:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kbbpll to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sold for £220,000 (currently $293,142.30 @ 1.33).

Others sold from the tin:
Pine Tree shilling (UNC Details) £5,500
Continental Currency, pewter 'dollar', 1776 (MS63) £48,000
Continental Currency, pewter 'dollar', 1776 (MS62) £50,000
Libertas Americana, copper medal, 1781 (MS62 BN) £11,000
Cent, 1801, dies 2-a (Sheldon 214) (AU55 BN) £6,500

All sold well above estimates and can be found here, although you need an account to see prices: https://www.invaluable.com/catalog/...hWithAll=NGC

It's unclear whether these prices include 20% buyer's premium.
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