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Spectacular 1981 20 Cent "Sickle Cud" Error

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 Posted 10/27/2021  10:56 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add MachinMachinMan to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
What do you reckon - "sickle", "scythe", "hook". It's definitely more savage than a " Candy Cane".

Guess it would be classified as a "series of die chips"


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 Posted 10/28/2021  04:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Can we see the other side?
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 Posted 10/28/2021  04:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nickelsearcher to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Guess it would be classified as a "series of die chips"


I agree. A Cud forms on the rim edge of the coin when a portion of the die breaks off.

Quite interesting shape you have here.
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 Posted 10/28/2021  06:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coaster to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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What do you reckon - "sickle", "scythe", "hook". It's definitely more savage than a " Candy Cane".

That's definitely some mean looking cuds you've got there ... I'd call them an 'oesophagus'!
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 Posted 10/28/2021  06:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MachinMachinMan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Can we see the other side?


Just your normal 1981 reverse with full 4 claws. Can't really tell if it was minted in Canberra or Wales.

Certainly no depression or impression on the reverse that would account for the metal sticking out on the obverse if that's what you are looking for.


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 Posted 10/28/2021  07:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add OzLeigh to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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 Posted 10/28/2021  09:37 am  Show Profile   Check spruett001's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add spruett001 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting, though I'm not convinced those are die chips and not damage.
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 Posted 10/28/2021  09:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What a monster, congrats!
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 Posted 10/28/2021  8:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add karloning to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's a Canberra coin
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 Posted 11/01/2021  02:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nealeffendi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
PMD most likely. Die damage that severe is very unlikely (plus other examples should have been found by now).
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 Posted 11/01/2021  04:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echidna to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Some better pics would be good.
But I'd agree with Neal.
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 Posted 11/01/2021  3:00 pm  Show Profile   Check SPP-Ottawa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add SPP-Ottawa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Damaged coin. You can see where something made impact on the Queen's neck and pushed up (deformed) the metal into that raised, irregular ridge. It then was circulated some more where the metal on the raised ridge has been smoothed out a bit.
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 Posted 11/01/2021  7:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Basil to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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PMD most likely.


Yes,its probably 80-90% PMD.
In the early days of Ebay in Australia there were several 'shed jobs' similar to the above Coin,they melted down a similar coin and added drips to the target coin.
Some were very Pro. done and very hard to pick without high grade Pics or Scans.
So as mentioned earlier better Pics. needed.
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 Posted 11/01/2021  11:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MachinMachinMan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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something made impact on the Queen's neck and pushed up (deformed) the metal into that raised, irregular ridge


Extra metal is sitting on the surface. Definitely not created by gouging. That dark area is just a shadow.


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they melted down a similar coin and added drips to the target coin


More plausible. Thought about the possibility of it being some kind of solder but didn't think it likely because the extra metal looks to be exactly the same colour and consistency as the rest of the coin. Looks like cupro-nickel and not tin/lead.

Just how easy is it to melt a coin and drip molten metal?

Seems like a heck of a lot of effort would have gone into creating this monstrosity just for it to end up back in circulation. Surely some sucker would have forked out some hard-earned mula if the coin was offered on ebay.
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 Posted 11/02/2021  06:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Basil to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Just how easy is it to melt a coin and drip molten metal?


Apparently very easy to do but I haven't seen them since the 1990's,early 2000.
Its not solder,the metal from the donor coin is the same as the target coin.
The fake 1934 3d overdate trails was some kind of silver used by Dental Technicians but again may have been metal from a genuine 3d.
Its not a subject most dealers would talk about other than point me to the scrap bin.
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 Posted 11/02/2021  07:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MachinMachinMan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Some better pics would be good.


Quality of these aren't any better. From different angles though.

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