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1883-O Morgan Grade & Square Ding Explanation

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 Posted 10/28/2021  08:44 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add mdpmedia to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
This coin has some questionable obverse marks.

I want to know how a TPG most likely would grade this coin:

1) without the square obv neck ding &

2) with the square ding just as the photo shows



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 Posted 10/28/2021  08:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mdpmedia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Also, what is this square impression: its source, meaning or other?



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 Posted 10/28/2021  09:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The "square" looks like a struck through.
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 Posted 10/28/2021  10:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ty2020b to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Obverse photo is too dark to accurately judge grade. I agree with John1, looks like a struck through.
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 Posted 10/28/2021  10:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mdpmedia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What's a struck through and does it make the coin a detail coin?

I'll work on the obverse photo to get a lighter version.
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 Posted 10/28/2021  10:35 am  Show Profile   Check jacrispies's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add jacrispies to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It looks like two smaller rectangular marks as opposed to one square mark. Like someone took a flathead screwdriver and hit it a couple of times. I am not sure if this is struck through or not. Is the coin bent, even slightly?

A strike through is when a foreign object gets between the planchet and die during the striking process, causing an impression on the coin of that object. It will not graded details if it is a strike through.
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 Posted 10/28/2021  10:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
cant really assess this coin properly due to the lighting. strike is consistent for the year but cannot determine surface originality or remaining luster
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 Posted 10/28/2021  10:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Agree, pics with more light on the surfaces would help.
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 Posted 10/28/2021  10:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add numismatic student to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
To me it looks raised rather than impressed on the coin. As a result, it looks like there is some solder laid on top of the coin. Also see some tooling marks next to the raised areas so I am guessing someone was messing with the coin for some reason.
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 Posted 10/28/2021  10:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mdpmedia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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...Is the coin bent, even slightly?


When I lay the coin's rev. on a flat surface and push on the obv RI, I do hear a clicking of the coin going down to touch the surface.

It is extremely minimal but it is nonetheless bent to some degree.

You state that the strike through would not get a details grade but are the two vertical and one horizontal hairline scratches on the cheek obstructive enough to warrant a details grade?

So with all this in mind, what would be the grade?
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 Posted 10/28/2021  11:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mrwhatisit to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If I were to think of a possible grade, id estimate it at a MS-63ish.
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 Posted 10/28/2021  12:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mdpmedia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here are some lighter photos to grade:




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 Posted 10/28/2021  1:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Is the square on top of the surface or indent?
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 Posted 10/28/2021  1:34 pm  Show Profile   Check jacrispies's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add jacrispies to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Because the coin is bent, that would mean that the mystery square is PMD. The damage is major enough to earn this coin the details grade.
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 Posted 10/28/2021  1:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mdpmedia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
...surface or indent?


indent
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 Posted 10/28/2021  6:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fenton to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
MS details, obverse damage.
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