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2021-D Lincoln Shield Cent- Possible New DDR?

 
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 Posted 11/11/2021  12:31 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Krisalane to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
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Hello all.
Is this a DDR? Places I'm looking... LB, Bottom shield, wider curved stripe on the right, ONE ceNT, overall it looks misshapen (appears to lean to the left fatter on right(?))

What do you fantastic numismatics think?







added filter light images...

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 Posted 11/11/2021  1:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mb560600 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Krisalane, the LB does look a bit larger---but I think this may be due to a lighting issue. Also, there's too much glare and that is also making difficult to assess anything unusual. Try taking photos with indirect, filtered lighting.
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 Posted 11/11/2021  2:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Krisalane to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Krisalane, the LB does look a bit larger---but I think this may be due to a lighting issue. Also, there's too much glare and that is also making difficult to assess anything unusual. Try taking photos with indirect, filtered lighting.


Thanks MB. New ones are super hard to get pics of!
Let's see if this helps any...

Ambient light...


Ambient light, filtered...
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 Posted 11/11/2021  4:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Krisalane to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks, Dearborn. Plating bubbles? That's interesting.
Do you think plating bubbles could have caused the extra width on the LB and bottom right column, as well?
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 Posted 11/11/2021  5:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That would not affect the location or frequency of plating bubbles.
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 Posted 11/11/2021  6:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It would help if you filtered all of your light sources. The pics also look a bit out of focus, to me anyways.
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 Posted 11/11/2021  7:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mb560600 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Krisalane, thanks for the additional photos.
However, I don't see anything that appears to be a DDR. Take a look at photos of the 2021-D LSC on PCGS, or any other bona fide coin website. I think the coin looks like the normal coin as minted. I'll be interested if others have comments one way or the other.
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 Posted 11/12/2021  07:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add -makecents- to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Krisalane, another tell tale sign of having a shield DDR is checking EPU, (E PLURIBUS UNUM). It will almost always be very thin looking, compared to a normal die, some part of it, if not all and will also be distorted. Here is one I found earlier this year that shows it well.
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 Posted 11/12/2021  10:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Krisalane to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here are some edits. These are the differences I'm referring to. Is this MD or strike through or DDD or.....? What am I looking at? Thanks again all!!!


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 Posted 11/12/2021  11:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
To understand these differences I created this thread to help sort thing out.
On the DDR's for example the 2013 DDR, when you see the images side by side you will see the differences:
Two things happening on this DDR:
1. The raised devices will be enlarged in size.
2. The incuse devices will be reduced in size.
That is how doubled dies are totally different on these raised and incuse devices. They are opposites.











Same for Machine Doubling. It does just the opposite on the different raised and incuse devices.
Raised devices will be reduced in size:



incuse devices will be enlarged in size:


So when looking at DDR's on the ATB Quarters, you will find them on the outer ring devices. The DDR's are on the center of the design. So 70% of the enlarged incuse devices you find on these quarters are machine doubled, and never a doubled die, but Machine Doubling. (they just can't happen on that area of the design.
Note Machine Doubling on these cent design compared with the real DDR incuse devices:

So the Machine Doubling on the incuse and raised devices are just opposite each other.
So the true hub doubling on the doubled dies are just opposite. The raised are enlarged, the incuse are reduced in size. It took seeing this years cents to see what was going on with these raised and lower devices and how it also had an opposite affect on Machine Doubling.

https://imgs.inkfrog.com/pix/coop49...asil_AAA.jpg


Hub doubling on incuse devices can also look different from die to die.


The VDB is incuse on the shoulder of the cents, so Machine Doubling can affect the shape of these initials.

On raised devices Machine Doubling can affect one side of the devices, while on the incuse devices they are affected on the opposite sides of the devices:

Confusing, but knowing the differences are there and how they are just opposites, helps calm the answers.
1. Doubled dies on raised devices enlarge the devices.
2. Doubled dies on incuse devices will be reduced in size.
A. Machine doubling on raised devices will remove the contour flattening it into the devices, make the devices smaller in size.
B. Machine doubling on incuse devices will enlarge the devices by altering the incuse area pushing it, to make the devices appear larger.

CoopHome: Why are raised and incuse devices affected differently on the doubled dies and on Machine Doubling?
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Some have asked about my images I use and I'm glad to say, you can now you can see the DVD in sections on youtube:
1. Intro, older coins, toned coins 2. Doubled dies 3. Die events, One of a kind errors 4. So called errors, Coin information 5. Coin information Types and Varieties, Overlays
Jefferson nickel doubled dies Wexler/Rebar complete listings

trail dies:http://www.traildies.com/
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