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1946 D Lincoln Wheat Cent Doubled Die - Maybe DDO-001

 
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 Posted 12/05/2021  12:07 am Show Profile   Check tropicalbats's eBay Listings Bookmark this topic Add tropicalbats to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I need to do an overlay for this one, but it looks like a really good possibility of being die 1. This is a class VI doubled die, noted as "light extra thickness on date" with the only marker being a too minor to list RPM. Well this one is a minor class VI DDO with a too minor to list RPM that looks pretty much in all ways like the VV die.

But still need an overlay, and any additional thoughts welcome. I realize that the doubling is pretty much impossible to see in my photos, but so it is pretty much impossible to see in the listing images. I included an image of LIBERTY, which shows light distortion on the B and E plus the R of TRUST which also shows doubling and match the VV listing images.

This is one die I have been looking for a long time, and found a number of possible matches, but I think this one is the closest I've seen and hopeful the overlay comes out right.

1946-D Lincoln Wheat cent doubled die - maybe DDO-001






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 Posted 12/05/2021  07:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add -makecents- to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would have to disagree. Yours would appear to be a very late die stage of DDO-006, later than any shown in my opinion. It's Ray's discovery too, so he should be able to share some other markers with you.


The only thing I can figure for the lack of doubling showing on your date, is yours has been heavily polished.

The more I look the more I am wondering....
Take a look at Wexler's cross reference WDDO-022 and WRPM-089.
If I am right, you may have a different reverse too.

Alright, one more adder and I'll quit. Check out VV's RPM-013. This would explain the lack of separation on the date that's on my original DDO-006 thought but I agree, yours does look to be a doubled die, especially on LIBERTY.
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 Posted 12/05/2021  08:52 am  Show Profile   Check sheldius's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add sheldius to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I can see a class VI. But very difficult. Nice coin. Hope you figure it out.
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 Posted 12/05/2021  10:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dearborn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well, I going to go look up the references that -make stated. Time to go pack more information into my head. (I think I still have room for more).
The coin you posted, TB, to me doesn't show the classic doubling I'm used to be looking at and for.
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 Posted 12/05/2021  11:02 am  Show Profile   Check tropicalbats's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add tropicalbats to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree that the D looks more like the D in DDO-006 (WRPM-089), but I also note that there are something like 50 RPMs with exactly the same minor tilt for this year. I am not an RPM specialist but it would seem to me unlikely that so many would be repunched exactly alike, and feel that there are issues with the punch(es) for that year.

As for the rest of the coin, DDO-006 has very weak TRUST, while both DDO-001 and my coin are well struck in that area even into LDS.

I could only find one die marker that is in a VV frame of any note that matched, but it looks fairly good. A die gouge just below the S of TRUST. VV image is on the left, mine is one the right.

Still hopeful but unsure.


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 Posted 12/05/2021  11:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add -makecents- to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am floored at how close all the mm placements are, 006, yours and 001. You may be right about an issue with the punch, that might explain the 006. Here is a side by side with 006, yours and 001. I am a specialist at absolutely nothing, so take my ideas with a grain of salt. That die gouge at the S does look promising.




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 Posted 12/05/2021  1:50 pm  Show Profile   Check tropicalbats's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add tropicalbats to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well now that sure does show my problem very well! And I've looked at a lot of this year, and there are others extremely similar to these two. Remarkable how many of the mint marks are pretty much right there, and how many have that minor RPM issue.

For now, I am thinking that the die marker by the S will be diagnostic. Additionally the DDO-006 is just a bit stronger, as is visible in the spread showing on the vertical bar of the 4. It's easy to see the width of the spread on DDO-006, but just a hairline spread you have to really squint at on the DDO-001. I think my coin is not as strong as 006 and a better match for 001, and if I spin it just exactly so in the light I can see a bit of the separation line even though it's LDS.

I think I'll give ANACS a shot at it and hope they agree. I have a few other DDO-001 coins that need their attention so I will put together some things and maybe in a couple months we shall have an answer.
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 Posted 12/05/2021  4:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add -makecents- to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
After looking at them more and the nice gouge you found at the S, I think you are correct. Nice pics and work. What gave me pause, was the fact the date looks to have been heavily polished and there looks to be remnants of the doubling on yours, as I have marked up. I did notice, looking at all the DDO's and RPM's, how many extremely similar mm locations there were, kind of crazy. Well, let us know and I hope you get your 001 attribution.

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 Posted 12/05/2021  6:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Petespockets55 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
for what it's worth I agree about it being 001.

There also seems to be a lite die scratch at the middle top of the S (going NE) and the end of the upper loop going SE in both images as well.
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 Posted 12/05/2021  6:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Willburton to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ok I'll throw my pictures in there too. The DDO-006 has a more swollen LIBERTY than the 001 and the lower right bar of the T is different. Yours matches the 001 IMO! Congrats


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 Posted 12/05/2021  7:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add -makecents- to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice work Pete and Will! I agree.
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 Posted 12/05/2021  8:51 pm  Show Profile   Check tropicalbats's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add tropicalbats to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Now I'm getting excited! This really is the one DDO-001 I honestly just despaired ever being able to really be sure I've found it, and I am now pretty confident of the die.

Thanks everyone for all the help and work and images with verifying this! It really is a great community and I appreciate all your support.
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 Posted 12/05/2021  9:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jim0815 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just seeing this and reading all of the comments as well as looking at the images provided. It is the DDO-001. The T in LIBERTY is spot on.
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 Posted 12/06/2021  12:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinHunter27 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very nice! I agree this is DDO-001. The T of LIBERTY confirms it, nice work on those who came up with the side by sides for this post. Makes it nice and clear to see!

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