What Do We Have Here? Mystery Coin 1649

https://www.numiscollection.com/fra...9814-en.html

Perhaps a circulating counterfeit. What does it weigh?

Swamper what does "circulating Contemporary Counterfeit" mean?

Sorry for asking, I googled the term .Interesting for sure . Any idea what it could be worth ?

The Contemporary Circulating Counterfeit coins (CCC) were originally made to enter circulation alongside genuine examples. That is the correct definition.

CCC's are one of two major types of non-genuine coins. The second type are coins made to deceive coin collectors, referred to as Numismatic Forgeries (NF). The second type are basically worthless (or melt) because they are often still being made and are readily available inexpensively directly from the manufacturers.

The first type CCC's are collectable because they tend to be scarcer than the genuine issues and they are historic. They are much less expensive only because demand is low. There are not many of us who specialize in this type of material.

Counterfeiters always make coins that will pass unnoticed into circulation. That is why it is very important to know what methods of manufacture were available to counterfeiters while the genuine coins were still circulating in large numbers.

The coin here is a French 1/2 Ecu of Louis XIV dated 1649 minted supposedly in Rouen KM 164.3. It is a common coin. Had it been a rare type it would be more suspicious. So it passes test 1.

In the late 1600's and early 1700's during the most likely period of circulation there were just three methods of making counterfeits available. They were the fouree technique, casting both used since antiquity and tinning which was equally ancient, but which was not rediscovered for use in Europe until about 1620. So, it is most likely a tinned copy. It also looks like a Sheffield plate, but that technique was not introduced until about 1780.

So, I for one would be willing to take the chance and classify it as CCC at least until I could complete scientific testing needed to confirm the coating is tin.

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What I learned about counterfeit coins began with my Uncle who was a professional counterfeiter and several members of his crew who explained the how's and why's of counterfeiting for profit as it existed in the 1930s. My uncle was the philosopher of the group and he taught me the rules for counterfeiting. These principles have not changed since antiquity.

In school and after I loved history and learning in general. It was very easy to see how my uncle's principle could be used throughout history. I also studied industrial history and mining to get a feeling for the history of developments critical to counterfeiting and the identification of contemporary counterfeit coins.

Any questions at all that I might be able to help with - I will certainly try to answer.

I sold one counterfeit on Ebay but it would not allow me to post this one . Not sure why .

Ok thanks