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How Easily Can Ebay Catch Shill Bidders?

 
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 Posted 01/07/2022  6:31 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add oriole to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
In case anyone is wondering, I am not planning to start!

I have heard people voice their suspicions, but have you known of any actual examples?
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 Posted 01/07/2022  6:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nfine to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't worry or think about shill bidders at all. I determine how much I'm willing to spend on an item and throw one bid at the end of the auction.
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 Posted 01/07/2022  7:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coaster to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I don't worry or think about shill bidders at all. I determine how much I'm willing to spend on an item and throw one bid at the end of the auction.

I do the same!
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 Posted 01/07/2022  7:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobby131313 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's incredibly difficult.
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 Posted 01/07/2022  8:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westy00 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I wonder when selling something if a last day retraction of a bid was done to gain a lesser price under a different profile.
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 Posted 01/07/2022  10:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ijn1944 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm with nfine and coaster.
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 Posted 01/09/2022  09:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Never thought of it. I don't get involved with auctions.
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 Posted 01/09/2022  2:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fortcollins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If your instincts tell you that something seems "fishy" with a particular seller, run. There are other coins and other sellers out there. Trust that instinct.
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 Posted 01/15/2022  9:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mr T to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Do they try to? Genuinely curious.
I'm sure they could work out strong probabilities based on bidding history and IP addresses.
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 Posted 01/18/2022  01:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't think they really try, I also don't think they really care. Years ago back when we all used our names or email addresses for our id's (and before ebay started hiding identities. you could build up a good clear and obvious case of shill bidding being done by someone, report it to ebay with all the evidence, and they would come back and say "We don't see anything wrong here." Ebay was not really interested in protecting their bidders. On of the reasons they were the anonymous bidder id's was because people were contacting bidders to let them know they were bidding on fake/altered/ or mis-described coins. Or worn them after the fact thatthe coin they had won was a fake.
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 Posted 01/18/2022  11:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobby131313 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I'm sure they could work out strong probabilities based on bidding history and IP addresses.


Not really. Both are pretty unreliable. Here is a screenshot (with identifying info removed) of members with duplicate IPs here. This is only about 1% of the complete list of the list.



Bidding history is just as unreliable. We used to sell on ebay a LOT. There are 2 reasons we stopped. 1. Listing fees. 2. Buttheads with no clue saying we're shill bidding.

We used to go to shows all the time and handout ebay business cards. Handed out thousands of them. All the time we heard, "We don't do ebay." We'd say well you always stop at our booth so just look at our stuff. So we ended up with dozens upon dozens of people whose only purchases were from us. Can't tell you how many time we saw know-it-alls on forums just like this swearing they had PROOF we were shill bidding.
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