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1975 Uncirculated Set Penny Doubled Die? A Worn Die? Somethings Off, Any Ideas?

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 Posted 01/17/2022  8:27 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Mrjessestrong to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hello,
I recently bought this set on an auction because it had a note in handwriting attached that said 1975 ghost penny. I received it today and the penny is not at all what I know to be ghosted. Basically a very late stage worn die. It's in plastic still but upon inspection under the miscroscope it looks as though the whole obverse is doubled. I couldn't be and probably am wrong. But I wanted to post to get other opinions. If it looks like it is doubled or the opinion is split I'll take it out and take new photos. This is my first time posting here so forgive me if I've posted in the wrong section or posted something that's already been discussed a dozen times. Also, I had to use the optimizer to resize the photos, they might be even worse than the originals. If it's too poor I'll have to try again. Thanks for your help.










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01/18/2022 05:54 am
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 Posted 01/17/2022  9:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Smallcentguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Welcome! it is always a good thing to do photos of the whole coin to give an overall perspective. It is rather hard to figure out exactly what the photos are showing.
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 Posted 01/17/2022  9:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ijn1944 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hoping to see full, large and sharp photos--ideally one coin per thread. Might be a difficult decision to remove the coins from the cello packaging. I do it all the time, but that's just me.
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 Posted 01/17/2022  10:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
No clue what's going on from these images.
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 Posted 01/18/2022  12:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mrjessestrong to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ya. Looks like I'll have to remove it and take proper photos. That photo editor provided when uploading photos is the same one I had on a site in 2001. I'll take better photos and edit the size in a separate program. Thanks so far for the input.
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 Posted 01/18/2022  01:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mrjessestrong to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ok. Resized new photos on a separate program. I hope these are ok. I'm going to post a photo of the whole coin along with a few close ups on my microscope screen.



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 Posted 01/18/2022  04:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silviosi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I do not see a doubling here.
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 Posted 01/18/2022  05:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mrjessestrong to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So not doubling, what could have happened here? In the photo that includes the full "1 cent" I tried to show the extremely sloped edges between the lobes of the leaf. Every other penny I have compared have real defined, 90% edges. It's a very gradual slope that come off the edges of the leaf a long way. The photo of the stems of the leaf isn't great but that's another area where all of the edges are gradual. The small lines you see on the inside of the stems are where the edges end. Then again there's that almost webbing between the lobes on the outside of the bottom leaf. It's just something I've never seen and when I pulled out a few dozen pennies of the same year and surrounding I couldn't find anything similar. Doubling maybe isn't the terminology I should have used in my question. Does anybody know how this might have happened? Is it something you've seen many times? I appreciate the feedback thus far.
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 Posted 01/18/2022  08:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add john100 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If you need a scope to see anything, how would a variety or error collector pay a premium for something you can"t readily see ?
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 Posted 01/18/2022  08:23 am  Show Profile   Check SPP-Ottawa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add SPP-Ottawa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sometimes, the RCM lacquered the 1-cent coins in their PL and SP sets. This is looks like a combination of two things: over-polishing of the reverse die, with lacquer shouldering the devices.
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 Posted 01/18/2022  10:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mrjessestrong to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Who said anything about selling this coin at a premium, John? I sure didn't. I'm asking how it happened. SPP, thank you for your input. I appreciate you taking the time to explain that to me.
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 Posted 01/18/2022  10:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chadcoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply



This is a stock picture I had on hand of the ghosting your questioning about. Examined many of these 1975 sets and they are fairly common. It is kinda cool.
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 Posted 01/18/2022  12:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add okiecoiner to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
To me, it just looks like light reflecting/refracting off the tapered font of the design elements. The dies are tapered so that the planchet doesn't stay stuck in the die. Maybe they changed the angle or design of the die taper. If there was no light reflection from the taper, there would be no ghosting.
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 Posted 01/19/2022  12:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mrjessestrong to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks a lot Chad, for that photo. That's exactly what the coin I have looks like. Something I haven't come across so I was interested to know a little bit about it. I appreciate you pulling that photo up to post.
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Here is what happens when you severely overpolish a reverse die... elements close to the level of the fields, blend in with the fields.


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