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Fake Silver Ducat On Ebay?

 
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 Posted 01/23/2022  11:47 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add NumisEd to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Netherlands 1781, Utrecht.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/393892507733

The position of the devices look slightly off to me. The dot after "....UNT" on the reverse seems too small and in the wrong position.
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 Posted 01/23/2022  4:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Eligius to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Coin looks ok to me. There exist many small varieties of these coins, especially in the placing of devices, letters and dots, as each die was handmade using punches. It certainly looks struck. Unfortunately the weight is not given, should be about 27.5 grams I think.
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 Posted 01/23/2022  9:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add PNWType to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks good to me as well. Agree with Eligius, there's so much variation in the early Netherlands types that a lot is possible. The details look correct in my eye and position/sizing doesn't look odd when compared with examples I could pull from google
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 Posted 01/25/2022  09:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NumisEd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
Unfortunately the weight is not given, should be about 27.5 grams I think.


The seller send me a photograph of the coin on a scale. It reads 28.0 grams.
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 Posted 01/25/2022  10:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This seller has a rather odd pattern of coin sales in my opinion.

No older coins in their history and all of the sudden, a lot of expensive European crowns.

Maybe they just got a collection to dispose of, but patterns like this make me cautious.

(That said, I also don't see any obvious issues with it )
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01/25/2022 11:02 pm
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 Posted 01/26/2022  07:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Eligius to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I looked up the specification of the silver ducat. Weight should be 28,25 gram and silver content is 0,873. So an actual weight of 28.0 seems to be correct.
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 Posted 01/26/2022  07:34 am  Show Profile   Check jdmern's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add jdmern to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Piece looks good to me
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 Posted 01/28/2022  3:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NumisEd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Decided to pass on the coin.
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