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1911-S Lincoln Cent, You Vs PCGS

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 Posted 05/10/2022  4:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add grospoisson to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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i had it at MS65RB and still think its RB. whomever graded this didnt look close enough at the color or didnt think there was more than 5% red. it might be borderline but it should have received the designation.


That's more than 5% red for sure. it seems I read it's now 85% to 15% percent red. Those numbers seem to stick in my head. Either way it's an awesome coin. Congrats on that one.
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 Posted 05/11/2022  4:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silviosi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@KYCooperCoins. Look from my prospective I tell you that the RD for a bronze coins it is an Nobel Price. Bronze it is not red if do not oxide, but those grader and in special PCGS are complete out of any mind. Your coin is mint and have some age patina of the bronze. So why RD, RB or BR? The bronze will be never BR will be RB in some specific circumstances which in general do not apply to coins (more to artifacts)

PS: I will call them to ask if they know the differences between Brass and Bronze LOL!
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05/11/2022 4:37 pm
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 Posted 05/11/2022  5:23 pm  Show Profile   Check westcoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add westcoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Siviosi - 1911-S Cents have the following composition:

95% Copper
5% Tin and Zinc

The 1944 Cents were a composition of reclaimed bronze shell casings from World War II. Most modern bronze is 88% copper and 12% tin. Bronze may also contain manganese, aluminum, nickel, phosphorus, silicon, arsenic, or zinc.

The 1856-1858 Flying Eagle and Indian Head cents of 1859-1864 Were considered bronze as their composition is 88% Copper and 12% tin.

The TPG's don't designate the Flying Eagle or CN (copper - nickle) Bronze coins with a color designation of BN RB or RD, All the rest of the small cents and large cents are labeled as such, even the newest zinc cents coated with a copper shell.
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05/11/2022 6:49 pm
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 Posted 05/11/2022  10:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silviosi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@WestCoin: you are wright of the composition of the war cent. I know the TPG give those denominations. My point was just to tell those denominations are choice by gradeer and really do not reflect the metallurgical reality. Could be change?!!? we will see and it is a long way to go.
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 Posted 05/11/2022  11:17 pm  Show Profile   Check BadThad's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very nice coin either way, I love it!
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 Posted 05/13/2022  2:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KYCopperCoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I will say, in no way does the reverse of this coin have the blue color of the trueviews and matches the obverse in color...not sure why they had those photo results to be honest.

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 Posted 05/13/2022  7:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silviosi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You are right. Some times theirs photos are out of the reality. Your last photos show me clear a non 65 and a bronze coin which can have blue reflections. Somebody here say they will not re-grad. Me personal I doubt this allegation.
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 Posted 05/13/2022  7:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Question least often asked at the monthly PCGS Trueview committee meeting - "Why don't we show the way the coin actually looks?"
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 Posted 05/13/2022  8:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silviosi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@Coinsfrog: The answer it is because the high management do not want to sped money for the photos technician's to adapt Trueview to average web.
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 Posted 05/13/2022  8:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KYCopperCoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If a TPG would adopt Nutilt I'd move to their services permanently. No better way to capture a coin than their method.
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 Posted 05/14/2022  03:21 am  Show Profile   Check BadThad's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I will say, in no way does the reverse of this coin have the blue color of the trueviews and matches the obverse in color...not sure why they had those photo results to be honest.


Those pictures look like a completely different coin! The trueview completely hid the obverse weakness and a lot of device hits on the reverse. There are quite a few ticks that are transparent in the PCGS picture!
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 Posted 05/15/2022  12:45 pm  Show Profile   Check westcoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add westcoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Those pictures look like a completely different coin!


It is the blue colored coin is a 1921-S while the OP coin is an 1911-S. I think it was posted as an example to color only.
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 Posted 05/15/2022  9:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KYCopperCoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Lol, didn't realize I posted the in hand pics in the wrong thread
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 Posted 05/15/2022  9:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KYCopperCoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The in hand pics of the 11-s are in this thread, the 21-s photos belonged in the other thread I had going.
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Beautiful coin! Congrats on the acquisition.
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