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Globe And Mail Has An Article On The Fake Toonies

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 Posted 07/02/2022  10:37 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add ShareBear to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
The article is not behind the paywall.

Why would anyone counterfeit the lowly toonie? The answer may lie in China.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/bus...oonie-china/
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 Posted 07/02/2022  11:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add LandonM to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If something costs you .04 to make and you can sell/redeem it for $2, that's an enormous profit and its not hard to sneak a few cases of them in a CONEX box filled with other random freight.
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 Posted 07/02/2022  12:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinsplus to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I like the last comment in the article by Mike Marshall. He warned all the appropriate authorities. They did nothing! Only until it became a fake toonie pandemic did they start taking action.

A little, too late, IMHO.
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 Posted 07/02/2022  12:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add okiecoiner to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with Mike M in that there are MILLIONS of them just in the T.O. area, starting with Markham and coming further South and West. We collectors have been discussing them for more that 2 years and, whoever is the original recipient here in the T.O. area, someone is making million of dollars, not thousands.
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 Posted 07/02/2022  12:41 pm  Show Profile   Check nickelsguy's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add nickelsguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
geeeeee...who knew.........we did. MM
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 Posted 07/02/2022  12:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kbbpll to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm curious how you would launder millions of $2 coins. Deposit in a bank - wouldn't they catch on? Run them through casinos? An army of people spending them on everyday items? Most efficient would be big ticket purchases, but who's going to take 500 coins for a $1000 item? I'm having trouble thinking like a criminal I guess. (Note - perhaps this is covered in the article but it's behind the paywall for me)
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 Posted 07/02/2022  1:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add okiecoiner to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Most people think that the person or persons who imported them, then distributed them to a cadre of people who then took care of the circulation of them in small, every day methods from banks, stores, casinos, etc. Once imported, other folks could by them for xxx cents on the dollar and it carried on and on. This is not something that just started. They had been in it for years before a single person (out of how many?) was caught with just a pittance of what had ensued.
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 Posted 07/02/2022  2:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add john100 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You are also talking about a 2 dollar item once you involve a lots of level of distribution the 2 dollar max profit starts to greatly lose value, everyone takes their cut. You can not deposit large amounts of change into your own bank without raising questions or fees, and most stores will not accept rolls for purchases. Although I am of the opinion this was and still is the RCM problem to solve not the end user, I also believe with the crazy increases in container shipping fees like a 20 feet cargo container costing 3K a few years ago, now costing ten times now, coins are heavy I doubt its worth importing or maybe like 2006 these are made here.
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 Posted 07/02/2022  2:17 pm  Show Profile   Check nickelsguy's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add nickelsguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
John100 your view is narrow........how about boxes from brinks and other companies with 100% fakes in them. Distributed to banks....then the public
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 Posted 07/02/2022  2:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add john100 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Find out how Brinks or Guarda got full boxes and you have most of the answers for this problem or maybe the the RCM should alert the banks to check on people depositing new full 1996 rolls
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 Posted 07/02/2022  2:54 pm  Show Profile   Check nickelsguy's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add nickelsguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
All those companies fill their own boxes......banks dont care etc....back to end user........go figure...been there done that...organized crime involved....too big
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 Posted 07/03/2022  1:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add LandonM to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It may not be a large scale operation, probably a very small scale operation,

Someone in Canada has the hookup with a counterfeiter in China.
Their upstart costs are dies, manufacturing time and materials They make the $10K upfront investment (or whatever) to get it going.
25 toonies in a roll, 50 rolls in a box.
8 boxes of counterfeit toonies recoups your startup costs.
Everything after that is pure profit. Whenever you need another $10K or $20K, reserve some LCL space for a few more boxes marked "Automotive Aftermarket Components", or whatever.

With modest objectives, you could live a pretty good life with a setup like this in a lucrative little counterfeiting niche... until you get caught.
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 Posted 07/03/2022  1:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add t_y to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am not convinced that millions of fakes are out there. I still think it is a smaller operation. Because of some samples I obtained recently, I also think the coins were manufactured in two different places, from similar but not equal dies, and using different planchets.

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 Posted 07/03/2022  2:07 pm  Show Profile   Check nickelsguy's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add nickelsguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am hearing this for the first time t y......I find that shall we say interesting.....
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 Posted 07/03/2022  2:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add t_y to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
'Twas in the other site. Coins are heavily nickel platted on top of an iron rich planchets. Dies are noticeable different but still with a camel toe.
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 Posted 07/03/2022  3:14 pm  Show Profile   Check nickelsguy's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add nickelsguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Still do not have login for other site.....
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