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Grade, Variety, & Proper Conservation Advice On This 1801 Draped Bust Large Cent

 
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 Posted 08/05/2022  3:38 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add CoinEnthusiast to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I recently acquired an 1801 Draped Bust Large Cent at auction, and I wanted to get some thoughts from my fellow coin collectors on the coin. As evidenced by the photos, the coin displays phenomenal detail. With that said, I understand that it is the subject of some relatively severe environmental damage. Bearing that in mind, I know that the coin will never be restored to its old "pre-corrosion" form, but is there anything that I can do to conserve the coin and potentially remove some of the gunk? Additionally, what are your thoughts on the grade and variety of the coin? Might this cent be a good candidate for PCGS/NGC conservation? I'd love to hear everyone's responses, and as always, sorry for the suboptimal photos.




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 Posted 08/05/2022  3:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like a candidate for Verdi-Care.
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 Posted 08/05/2022  4:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@coin, are those green areas powdery at all when you poke at them with a wooden toothpick? If so, then this cent may have bronze disease and you should isolate it from the rest of your collect to treat that. If the green is stable, then that is good news.
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 Posted 08/05/2022  5:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinEnthusiast to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi @Spence, I prodded it in several areas where the green residue is present, and the green seemed to be stable. None of the residue came off after gentle use of the toothpick, nor did it sway from side to side at all. Thanks!
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 Posted 08/05/2022  8:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Oldgrouchyguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The bright green corrosion is sometimes indicative of CLR use
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 Posted 08/05/2022  9:58 pm  Show Profile   Check Pacificoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Pacificoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Reverse is hooped , the corrosion appears to be right
Into the metal . Looks like hard green verdigris in places .
Just soak it in acetone for about 8 hours . Air dry about ten seconds .
Then soak it it olive oil or any other light oil for
Say a month or so . Be about the best you could
Hope for .
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 Posted 08/06/2022  09:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kanga to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There are 17 varieties of 1801 Large Cents.
And that's ignoring die state.

Your images look like it was foggy when you took them.
Image size is good.
Grade appears to be in the XF range.
Likely a DETAILS coin.
And the coin needs to be square with the camera.

I've got the reference for IDing the variety.
I just need better images to work with.

Don't handle the coin with your hands/fingers.
The organic compounds and acids will degrade the coin over time.

As for "restoring" it, try acetone.
(WARNING: Read and follow the instructions on the container.)
Unlikely to help much but it won't hurt it.
Then let someone examine it.
Do that before trying Verdi-Care.
Verdi-Care will make permanent changes and you need to make sure those changes are not overly negative.
Describe it as if there were no picture.
Picture it as if there were no description.
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 Posted 08/06/2022  09:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@kanga is absolutely right. I spoke in haste recommending Verdi Care.
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I use Virgin Olive Oil (VOO) to treat the Verdigris...always successful...'ol timers treatment.

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 Posted 08/06/2022  11:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinEnthusiast to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@kanga, I borrowed a family member's phone, so here are some better pictures of the coin. Thanks for your time, and hopefully these pictures help.


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It is a Sheldon 223, Rarity 1.
The fraction in the reverse reads 1/000.

Breen notes it was actually struck in 1802.
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 Posted 08/07/2022  1:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinEnthusiast to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the attribution help @GERMANICVS. That's neat that the coin was actually struck in 1802. Looking at some price guides, the value of an 1801 1/000 cent in XF ranges from $3700 all the way up to $5000, depending on the price guide you're using. With that said, two questions: First, what do you all think the value of this coin might be? Second, I've never sent a coin in for grading, but might this coin be worthy of being sent to PCGS/NGC for grading and potentially conservation? Thanks!
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[quote]With that said, two questions: First, what do you all think the value of this coin might be? Second, I've never sent a coin in for grading, but might this coin be worthy of being sent to PCGS/NGC for grading and potentially conservation? Thanks!/quote]

I am afraid the value could be quite low due to the extensive damage to the reverse. This being a common variety, this cent carries no 'rarity' premium. Maybe $200-300 (?)
I hope you are not too dissapointed.
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