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1969 D 1c Memorial Pre-Cud

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 Posted 08/07/2022  12:46 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add CoinHI to your friends list Get a Link to this Message

I almost missed this one as you can imagine. There is a small struck through something or other on reverse that I included a photo of for your viewing pleasure. I do have photos off to CudsonCoins as I think this could be a new listing.





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 Posted 08/07/2022  01:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@coin, yes that one is pretty small—good eyes for catching it. Looks like strike through a small copper flake.
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 Posted 08/07/2022  12:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinHI to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Spence.
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 Posted 08/07/2022  2:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Petespockets55 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like the flake by the O is leaving some odd-shaped impressions on the coin. Interesting.
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 Posted 08/07/2022  2:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kopper Ken to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice pick-up.

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 Posted 08/07/2022  4:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just a rim to rim die crack so far. A retained cud would show separation of where the retained area was altered:



Just looks like a die crack to me.

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 Posted 08/07/2022  5:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cujohn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
no movement in the crack yet.
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 Posted 08/07/2022  7:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinHI to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the replies everybody!

I agree that this is not a retained cud and that's why I made no mention of it being one.
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 Posted 08/07/2022  8:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The term Pre cud is considered as equal to a Retained Cud. Thus the one on this coin is not a pre-cud but just a die crack. A cud is when it breaks off of the die. The retained cud is retained in the collar a lot longer, then eventually breaks off of the die. So I use the older term, rather than the "Retained Cud" = 'Pre Cud.' Your coin is not a pre cud, but a die crack. This can go from die crack, Die Chip, Die Break, Retained Cud and then a Cud. So this doesn't happen all at once.

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 Posted 08/07/2022  8:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinHI to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Coop, this is from the Cuds on Coins site.

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 Posted 08/10/2022  1:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinHI to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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 Posted 08/10/2022  3:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It lumps the two together in the title of that article. To me they will be retained cuds. The loose part of the die is retained on the die still. The older term has been used for decades. The "new term", is just a new term.
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 Posted 08/12/2022  10:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add HGK3 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting debate.

Error-ref says:

Arcing rim-to-rim die crack (a.k.a., pre-cud)
Definition: A die crack that follows a curved trajectory from one point on the rim to another. The area of the die face cordoned off by such a crack generally amounts to less than 40% of the total area. The die crack shows only lateral spread. The presence of either vertical displacement or horizontal offset would indicate the presence of a retained cud.
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 Posted 08/12/2022  11:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silviosi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A pre-cud is a small die crack. This crack always start from the rims. We still put example of definitions which was not up-graded from decade. So we have one thing the rims are affected. then the crack must be continuous without interruptions indifferent of the level of the design. IMO: when we read something we have to analyze when was wrote and what was find after if we want the clock right..
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 Posted 08/13/2022  05:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinHI to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks HGK3, looks like error-ref and cudsoncoins have a similar definition.
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