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1974-S Silver $1, You Versus PCGS

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 Posted 08/10/2022  11:47 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add TheColorofMoney to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Please provide grade and price.





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 Posted 08/10/2022  12:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kopper Ken to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm going with severe one sided artificial toning on this one...MS otherwise. I think it has more colors than the rainbow. I'd be curious to see if/how the edge is toned.

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 Posted 08/10/2022  12:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westernsky to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Genuine - Questionable Toning

Does not appeal to me but somebody liked it enough to pony up the grading fees and probably lose some money on it in the process.

Price? Today, I don't know, but it started out at 3$ about 48/years ago.
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 Posted 08/10/2022  12:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Couldn't find a similar one, but here is an idea on value https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nk...H_Complete=1
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 Posted 08/10/2022  2:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IndianGoldEagle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
MS details, altered surface.
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 Posted 08/10/2022  3:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add LazerPig to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The question is if the toning is natural or not. There is some precedent for this degree of color so it's hard to say....

https://www.PCGS.com/auctionprices/...620483574988

As far as value, the 74D's are on the low end for Ikes, even a MS67 isn't worth big money compared to other years.

Disclaimer: I'm fairly new to grading but have been collecting Ikes for many years
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 Posted 08/10/2022  3:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silviosi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If the grader say ok for this coin, then they have to look for new graders. Toning like this will never happened. The spectrum is not there. For more details on the this kind of toning, Ken Potter has the best explanations.
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 Posted 08/10/2022  5:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TheColorofMoney to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here is where the real controversy will begin ...

PCGS MS-68+

https://www.PCGS.com/cert/41452533

https://www.ebay.com/itm/195274666310

$18.500.00

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Please wait at least 48 hours before posting results so everyone can chime in. I just got home from work.
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 Posted 08/10/2022  6:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silviosi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Verification of certification numbers on the PCGS Certification Database does not eliminate the risk of buying counterfeit and altered coins. Though uncommon, counterfeiters may also counterfeit PCGS grading inserts using actual certification numbers derived from public sources.


Do you verify this coin? This coin was sell to a very appreciate and big collector.

Can you put me a 200 to 500x pic of the printing sticker, please.
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Here you can compare the two photos. Left the PCGS and Right Yours as you put.

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 Posted 08/10/2022  8:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add macmercury to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Legend won the auction in Oct. 2021 for $13,513, now this eBay seller wants another $5K. Yahoo!

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 Posted 08/10/2022  9:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westernsky to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There was a dealer from Utah about 20 or 25 years ago that had showcases full of colorful coins like this at shows out West. I don't know whatever happened to him but it sure looks like the type of stuff he had on display. Amazingly all of it for sale!

Smucks like us that send coins in that look like this for grading end up with details grades and/or coins back in body bags!

Big coin dealers and auction houses that send coins like this in get the benefit of doubt, a few winks and a nod and coins back with popped grades!

Simply amazing!
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Manny things happened with coins high prices and graded by PCGS and NCG
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I've seen this kind of color on Franklin halves, Washington quarters, Roosevelt dimes, and other silver Ikes. The palette and hue of (the range and combo of the) colors, along with the surfaces makes me think this toning is real.

As far as the price - well - right now building Ike sets (and proof Lincolns) is a really big thing. As a result stupid prices for finest knowns are in the stratosphere.

Sperber at Legend and Shepherd at Simco have clients building finest known sets.
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